Possible triple father clutch? dinker?

Pairing was nice normal girl x mojave, cinnamon and a nice looking normal male.
Mother.
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The dinker/nice normal male (iv posted this boy up on here few months back)
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The mojave and cinni are your common single gene male's nothing fancy about them and this is the clutch out come.
7 eggs 2 boob's went bad.
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The odd normal
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So by what i see 3 mojaves, 1 cinny, 1 ? dinker/nice looking normal ?
Here is pic's after first shed on the normal and mojave (bad light late at night pic)
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So anybody see anything special ? Good odds this is triple fathered? No belly pic's but the cool normal has a clear belly with wana-be pied like tracks, trying not to disturb any of them since I want them to get on feeding as soon as possible. Sorry for so many pics. Any comment's are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

That dinker blew my mind... I'd play with that... he looks like dad, only cooler. I think you have something.

In person it's so much better looking my phone's camera is junk. But it has a nice full flame ringer in the middle going all the way around.

One thing i wonder is, could it just be a double fathered clutch and the mother is bringing something to the table? Only real way to see if it's the male is breed him again next season I am out of females for this season he was bred to 1 other female with 2 different other morph males that is due the end of this month but it was only 1 lock up.

That's a good question. Next season I would throw the male dinker at a female exclusively and see what comes out of it. Chances are if you have stumbled upon something it's co-dom and you'll know for sure next year

Can you post some belly pics of the odd one? I know you stated clear but with pied like markers. I am just curious to see exactly. It almost looks like it could be a YB complex. The light yellow color, awesome blushing, and headstamp, resemble something YB. Not saying that's what it is, but certainly has some of the characteristics. What is the gender of the hatchling?

That "normal" hatchling is awesome! I also thought it looked a little YB-ish. Any chance either of the "single gene" fathers are hiding something? Or that the mother had some retained sperm? It doesn't really look like the "normal" possible father to me. That adult male is fairly reduced and the hatchling has a wacky pattern, although there are some other similarities.

I would think when playing around with a dinker, you'd want to put only that male to any females you pair him with, to eliminate confusion and give yourself more chances to hit on something.

That "normal" hatchling is awesome looking! Definitely need to work on proving that out!

I really don't think the cinni or the mojave have anything but here is some pics of both, the mojave is currently in shed so this is all i got for now.
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This is the only belly shot i got on my phone, pre-shed pic. Will give it a good 2-3 days and will get updated pic's hopefully can get my hands on a real camera.
Someone asked about the sex um i did a slight pop check over a week ago and it looked like 1.4 the normal dinker was a female i believe, but once a couple meal's are in I feel better about really checking and will mark for sure sex's down then. Both the dinker and the mojave that shed the day before ate today and that dinker has the feeding response of it's mother. Starting them out on hopper's and literally it wailed the hopper soon as it hit the paper towel. I really want to see how this cinni look's out of shed if the mother is carrying something I think the cinni may have something or just looks really cool i dunno.



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This is the only belly shot i got on my phone, pre-shed pic. Will give it a good 2-3 days and will get updated pic's hopefully can get my hands on a real camera.
Someone asked about the sex um i did a slight pop check over a week ago and it looked like 1.4 the normal dinker was a female i believe, but once a couple meal's are in I feel better about really checking and will mark for sure sex's down then. Both the dinker and the mojave that shed the day before ate today and that dinker has the feeding response of it's mother. Starting them out on hopper's and literally it wailed the hopper soon as it hit the paper towel. I really want to see how this cinni look's out of shed if the mother is carrying something I think the cinni may have something or just looks really cool i dunno.


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The belly doesn't shed any light on it at all other than to say, I don't see YB. Cool looking hatchling but its likely going to have to become a project to better understand what you may have. Best of luck and hope to see follow ups in the future.

Some new pics. I love the way this Cinni looks.
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That normal baby is pretty darn cool. It could be something, or it could be a normal out of the cinny. The cinny has a crazy enough pattern that he could have had some influence on the pattern of that little normal.

I think I agree. "Normal" baby looks most like the cinny dad.

Well thank you everyone who gave me feedback on this, if it is the father i should find out in next few months since this Cinni was bred to a few other females. Still keeping this lovely dinker female and the awesome cinni so in a few years if anything is here il find out :) If by some chance it is the Cinni then cool he makes some sweet looking babys that might be a nice inherited trait to make some nicer looking combos. Thanks again all of you, gl with anyone still waiting on clutchs and those hatching. 3 left for me this year possibilty 5 if some late ovulations come up.

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Someone mentioned in the Mirage thread that Mirage by itself looks sorta YB-ish, but without the belly. Since that same comment has been made about your "normal" baby, I thought I'd point it out to you. I'm leaning towards "no" because the Mirage combos seem more extreme than the possible combos you have here, but worth a look I'd guess.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...led-the-Mirage

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Someone mentioned in the Mirage thread that Mirage by itself looks sorta YB-ish, but without the belly. Since that same comment has been made about your "normal" baby, I thought I'd point it out to you. I'm leaning towards "no" because the Mirage combos seem more extreme than the possible combos you have here, but worth a look I'd guess.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...led-the-Mirage

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The only way this persons snake would possibly have the mirage gene is if he bought a pastel yellow belly from Tim Bailey.

Update: Here is the 2nd clutch this Cinni fathered, so I think for sure it's the father and the mother is ruled as the genetic's location. Only 1 Cinni baby again and everything else is ? normal's. Guess the YB complex is a good idea to play around with in the future with them.
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The mom looks like she has something else going first morph I thought of was fire where did you get her from do you know her genetics?


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The first clutch's mother was a normal i picked up last year, a friend of mine was buying chameleon's from a guy and had told me he had 2 snakes for sale. I got her and a small 400g-ish pastel female for $70.

That's a really good deal. That's the type I look for lol I wasn't going to comment since I'm at a loss on this one but since I'm here now... :) The Cinny sire has a ton of blushing that I think could carry over to the Normal offspring, I'd like to see his parents though. In fact I recently picked up a little Normal girl that has some nice blushing, not like yours but comparable. I'm assuming your normal was either sired by the Normal/Dinker or the Cinny, both of which have some similar traits, mostly the Normal which would confirm your 3 sired clutch. I would without a doubt include her in some breeding plans! I personally would do back to the possible normal father first breeding season just to see if anythings going on. Not sure what she will look like with age but right now I can't help but think she would make some very nice looking baby Enchi, Vanilla, Yellow Belly, the list goes on.

Cinni is for sure the father of the 2 from clutch 1, the normal's in this new clutch 2 of them look close to exactly like the dinker from clutch 1.

Good thing is clutch 1 are Beast, born the first week of June and already on weaned rat's.

I do wish i had a breed size YB female to put the father on this upcoming season, may try putting him to my spider see what that does.