Anyone every seen a BP do this??!!

Adult female BP.
Rescued about 2 months ago in horrible condition.
Had a UI and Mouth rot on top of not having a good shed in at LEAST a few months.
Moth rot has cleared up nicely, UI is almost gone.
Eyes are very, very cloudy almost solid.
Just walked in to the room to find her laying like this, she's breathing a little heavy too.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/e6ehu8us.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/ne2aneda.jpg

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I've seen them lying inverted sometimes, but she looks kind of bloated. Do you have her on any kind of substrate?

Yes, economic earth compressed coconut fiber substrate.
I was in the process of cleaning her tank.

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Also tried to get her to feed but she's been afraid of live and f/t since we got her.
Have to force feed...

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Originally Posted by meghanbu30

Yes, economic earth compressed coconut fiber substrate.
I was in the process of cleaning her tank.

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She was doing that while you were cleaning her tank? That's odd. I've seen them doing that before, but once I disturb them, they go back to lying normally. Is she normally that round? Maybe it's just the pic but she looks funny...

She's been on newspaper for a while due to a burn on her underbelly, tried to feed her but she didn't take then I find her doing this.
She was overweight when we got her but she's actually lost a bit of weight.
Just pulled her out and she passed rocks! Literally hard bright yellow rocks!
Ithink shes got a block.

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She's been on newspaper for a while due to a burn on her underbelly, tried to feed her but she didn't take then I find her doing this.
She was overweight when we got her but she's actually lost a bit of weight.
Just pulled her out and she passed rocks! Literally hard bright yellow rocks!
Ithink shes got a block.

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A warm bath will sometimes get them to go...the first time I tried this was in our bath tub...the wife was not pleased. And it was not fun to clean up. Now I just use a spare rubbermaid tub...:D

I am the wife lol, I don't care about a mess.
Seems like one section is extremely sensitive but it's closer to her head, almost half way down her.

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First thought is trying to cool her belly.
With a belly burn, she could have some odd behavior.

She had one, but it's healed up.

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She is now doing this....http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/vygada7u.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/rebabuqu.jpg

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I have no idea what's going on but she still looks round and kind of tense. A trip to the vet may be in order...

I hope she isn't about to pass something on your carpet...

Not worried about it, carpet can be cleaned. Just worried about her.

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Not worried about it, carpet can be cleaned. Just worried about her.

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It can be cleaned but the smell can linger. I know firsthand.:weirdface

Is she still doing that? Does she move normally at all? I've never seen one do that before...

I'm really good at cleaning it now lol.
Yeah she is still doing it when she moves around, but she's keeping to the same area and not moving around much.
I've never seen it either.
We've got 4 balls right now

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I'm really good at cleaning it now lol.
Yeah she is still doing it when she moves around, but she's keeping to the same area and not moving around much.
I've never seen it either.
We've got 4 balls right now

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hmmm...I don't know. Unless anyone else has any insight a vet trip may be needed...

Yeah, just waiting on our herp vet friend to get here

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Yeah, just waiting on our herp vet friend to get here

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Good luck. I hope she's okay. Let us know how it goes...

Thanks :-)
I will keep you updated.

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Are you sure she's not gravid?

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I will keep you updated.

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I am interested to see what you find

I don't think she is gravid, she has only had contact with our male a few times and we don't let them alone so they have never locked.
We have only had our male about a week also.

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Females can lay slugs (unfertilized eggs) too. I'm thinking that's what the "yellow rocks" were!

Also, you said you force feed.

Eek.

Please elaborate. How often, of what, and WHY? :(
These snakes can go months - MONTHS - without eating. I know she's not in the best state, with having all those health concerns, but.... ahhhhhh. Force feeding is considered a very last resort from what I've seen, and more often used for hatchlings who won't start eating, if I'm not mistaken.

We initiated a force feed 2 weeks ago and she took it on her own from there.
She is afraid of live and f/t mice so it is our only option.
We believe this is because she probably can't see well if at all.
Our herp vet friend did a full force feed last night to see if she would do any better with her behavior, the mouse was abiut a foot down after the feed and she regurgitated it withing half an hour.

I don't think they were slugs because before we got her she hadn't eaten in nearly six months and she wasn't passing anything until a week ago. That's about enough time for the first mouse we fed to go through her system.

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We initiated a force feed 2 weeks ago and she took it on her own from there.
She is afraid of live and f/t mice so it is our only option.
We believe this is because she probably can't see well if at all.
Our herp vet friend did a full force feed last night to see if she would do any better with her behavior, the mouse was abiut a foot down after the feed and she regurgitated it withing half an hour.

I don't think they were slugs because before we got her she hadn't eaten in nearly six months and she wasn't passing anything until a week ago. That's about enough time for the first mouse we fed to go through her system.

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:confusd::confusd::confusd::confusd: WHY :confusd::confusd::confusd::confusd:
This is a snake that has evidently eaten and has some size to it so why the hell would you or someone that considers themselves a vet even contemplate this??
How much weight loss has happened since the last time she ate?
How long ago was the belly burn??

FYI, they rely on more than just vision to feed.

She's lost alot in the last couple months, almost half her body weight.
Force feed won't hurt her but it did let us know there is something going on other than her just being afraid of food.
I realize they don't rely on sight as much as smell.
Belly burn was about 6 weeks ago, she's healed up nicely since then.

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I agree she looks prego


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I've felt her for lumps of any kind and I never could feel anything mf

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Originally Posted by meghanbu30

Belly burn was about 6 weeks ago, she's healed up nicely since then.

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They don't heal that quickly or it wasn't a burn.
Im not knocking you, just trying to figure out whats going on.
Doesn't look like a snake that lost half its weight, skin is too tight.

Sorry that was supposed to say a quarter of her weight.
It wasn't a large or bad burn, or what looked like a burn, we must have caught it when it happened because it was a very small area.

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I may have 4 but I'm always still learning about them.
They are all different in their own ways.

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also you said "UI" and I think you meant URI??
in that case she might not be eating.
they heal very slow but I don't think any snake will starve itself to death.
comfort first then worry about feeding.
My male spider currently weight about 1200g an is back off and wanting to breed, he wont eat again until he drops to between 900 and 1000g. He eats 3 or 4 medium rats a year. It sucks and has added gray hairs to my head but that's just the way he is.

My 2 cents:

You are kind of inconsistent with your story. I think you should leave her alone in an enclosure with ideal conditions for a month. Make sure she has a nice big water dish, large enough to soak in if she wants to. Do not even offer food and no contact except to add water and spot clean. I would keep her on paper towels. I would also shield the enclosure with dark paper, foil, or dark material so she can not see out. Obviously, your "vet friend" does not have much experience with ball pythons or (s)he would have never force fed that snake. Regurge is very bad for a ball python. I had a 3 year old male that went an entire year without eating. Then one day, he snatched the F/T rat right off the tongs and has not stopped yet. They can go a very long time and that snake does not look skinny at all. If she does well throughout this month, I would go buy her a large LIVE rat pup/crawler with its eyes still closed (a big ol fat one though). I would leave that in there over night if she does not take it right away. You can leave it in there for a second day if you want to as it can not hurt the snake at all. If she takes that, I would feed this way weekly for a month then move to a just weaned rat and stay with those once weekly for a couple months before moving to anything different. Good luck with her.

Yes URI, lol.
I have tried shielding her cage and she gets extremely agitated to the point she has actually attacked the side of the cage.
She was on newspaper for a while due to what I thought was a burn, I just introduced her back to substrate last night.

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Just an update:
Been soaking her every few hours for 15-20 minutes at a time.
She has passed a couple times and it is getting softer.
Also she is gaining energy after every soak and behavior is improving :-)

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Originally Posted by NH93

Females can lay slugs (unfertilized eggs) too. I'm thinking that's what the "yellow rocks" were!

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Without a pic I can't be 100% certain, but I've seen plenty of yellow rocky looking urates...

Handling a snake that often after regurgitation can be dangerous. You need to leave her alone and give her time. She will come around. She may be acting so funny from being stressed with her being handled so much. Good luck

I realize handling her so much could be a bit dangerous, but it seems she is less stressed while being handled than being in her tank.
Her odd behavior happens mostly in her tank, once she is out she's fine.

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Also just saw this, could it be a new burn from being on the newspaper too long????http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/16/utevybaz.jpg

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That looks like scale rot to me. I would keep her on paper towel in a tub so her belly is dry and clean.

Her body weight looks good, I would not attempt more force feedings - it's just going to put her off food for longer. Best of luck!

If she was neglected to the point of having a RI, mouth rot, burns, and at least one retained shed, it is probably safe to assume she was not given access to clean water. I would be worried about dehydration--I know long term dehydration has systemic affects on other reptiles, I wonder what could be going on from that? I think daily soaking is a good idea, just be sure to check the water temperature and replace as needed because water temperature drops quite rapidly. Good luck with her.
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I was worried it could be scale rot since we were dealing with mouth rot earlier on.
But she has already had antibiotic for the mouth rot and URI so any scale rot should have been taken care of.

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I do believe she was without an adequate and clean water while with her last owner before us.

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If she was neglected to the point of having a RI, mouth rot, burns, and at least one retained shed, it is probably safe to assume she was not given access to clean water. I would be worried about dehydration--I know long term dehydration has systemic affects on other reptiles, I wonder what could be going on from that? I think daily soaking is a good idea, just be sure to check the water temperature and replace as needed because water temperature drops quite rapidly. Good luck with her.
-Guy

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Originally Posted by meghanbu30

Also just saw this, could it be a new burn from being on the newspaper too long????

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How are you regulating the heat source, and what are you using to measure temps? It does look like it may be scale rot to me, so I would put her on paper towels and try to keep her dry. I wouldn't soak her, just make sure she has access to a bowl of fresh water.

I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but after regurgitation, you shouldn't offer food for at least two weeks, and the next meal you offer her should be smaller than usual. As others have said, don't try to force feed her again. If you don't already have a scale to keep track of her weight, I would get one. She may not be losing as much as you think.

I have the temp and humidity gauges from petco right now.
She was on newspaper for nearly a month....

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I will look into investing in a scale, I need one

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I have the temp and humidity gauges from petco right now.
She was on newspaper for nearly a month....

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What type of heat source are you using though? And how is it being regulated?

I've got a heat pad in the corner with water bowl adjacent and a heat lamp in the middle with a hide in the opposite corner.
Heat pad stays around 75, heat lamp keeps the tank up at 85.

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It's nearly impossible to get an accurate surface temperature reading from a Petco temperature guage. I can assure you that the heat pad not being regulated is much much hotter than 75 degrees on the surface where the ball actually is. I would invest in thermostats for your reptiles before you end up with a burn.