Need ID help (4 gene snake?)

So long story short, I've had opinions from several people and they often differ. Everyone agrees that this is a Super Pastel Lesser, but some say it is also enchi and others say it isn't. What do you think, and WHY

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...53552603_n.jpg

What was the pairing? Head says Super for sure :gj:

A post shed pic would be much better. Here is a Pastel Lesser I was looking at last week. Kinda looks the same pattern wise, less the Super.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...psf3ef81a8.jpg

The pairing was Pastel x Pastel/Lesser/Enchi

This is the Super Pastel/Lesser/Enchi from WOBP. the feature I'm noticing most is the stripe on the neck connecting to the eye stripes on the head. From what I've seen that is an Enchi feature. I think that mine looks pretty similar: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...lesser/001.jpg

For some reason the pic isn't showing up for me. can you try and repost it?

This is a Super Pastel/Enchi/Lesser/Nova - same head pattern and similar body pattern....

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...i-lesser-nova/

Butter/Enchi/Pastel - similar pattern again: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-enchi-pastel/

I think your pic lacks the "butterfly" Enchi Pastel headstamp typical of Enchi Pastels. I don't think the Super washed out the butterfly headstamp on yours.... look at the butterfly headstamp on the WOBP pic :gj:

Here is my generic Enchi Pastel- butterfly headstamp. The headstamp on WOBP is just brighter with the Super morph.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...psad26ca6f.jpg

Here is an adult super pastel enchi
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...psddc53614.jpg

Same animal as a baby
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_2231.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_2230.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_2232.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_2233.jpg

Im keeping the snake anyway, and if it's a male I've got a female Enchi to breed him to next season. I'm just curious more than anything.

Regardless, I'm loving the head pattern, as well the body pattern is pretty funky. It's for sure the coolest snake I've ever produced hands down

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Originally Posted by Rickys_Reptiles

Im keeping the snake anyway, and if it's a male I've got a female Enchi to breed him to next season. I'm just curious more than anything.

Regardless, I'm loving the head pattern, as well the body pattern is pretty funky. It's for sure the coolest snake I've ever produced hands down

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Good call on a holdback either way. Very cool snake :gj:

Shoot us some post shed pics!!

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

Good call on a holdback either way. Very cool snake :gj:

Shoot us some post shed pics!!

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Thanks. Once it sheds I'll for sure post pics!!!

I'm inclined toward lesser pastel enchi and possible super depending on post-shed but you know that already. To me the 'wavy' banding says enchi. I've heard a number of people say that the butterfly stamp doesn't always show until a few sheds later. The blushed head alone isn't enough for me to say super pastel, since the triple always has a very blushed head anyway. Pastel, Lesser, and Enchi all contribute to head blushing independently.

Something else to note - I had a LOT of people tell me my pewter bee male was 'definitely' a sterling bee when he hatched. I'm not sure if people are eager to congratulate me on hitting the 4 gene or if it's hard to ID in pictures, but 9 months later I grow more and more sure that he's just a nice pewter bee. Send the pic out in private message or email to a few people who have produced a lot of enchi stuff. I got different responses in private than I did in public when I was trying to sort out the pewter bee - again not sure if people just go with the flow, only look at a few pics from google images, or are just eager to congratulate.

Looks like enchi is in play

I see enchi still. The lesser pattern looks more like lesser enchi towards the last half of the snake and the stripes on the head connect which is common in enchis. I see super pastel lesser enchi. After a shed or two maybe the headstamp will be visible.


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Ide go super lesser... But if you want someone with alot of enchi experience... Wild morphs on here knows alot about them... He said he couldn't see the pic and to repost it... He would be able to help

Super Pastel Lesser. No Enchi.


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Well, I've received a lot of opinions and so far the only concrete answer is that nobody knows! hahaha

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Originally Posted by Rickys_Reptiles

Well, I've received a lot of opinions and so far the only concrete answer is that nobody knows! hahaha

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The only way to know 100% is to prove it out by producing an Enchi :gj:

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

The only way to know 100% is to prove it out by producing an Enchi :gj:

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I agree. turns out that HE is a male! So he'll be bred my Enchi female next year. If he is an enchi then there is of course the possibility of a pastel/lesser/Super enchi - which is awesome!

Also, here is another pic of him :)

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...08418917_n.jpg

Now that I can finally see the picture. Going to have to vote there is no enchi in that particular animal.

I am revising my guess based on research alone to say it doesn't have enchi. The head pattern isn't right, even for the single pastel version. Never seen one with enchi that had a 'closed' head pattern.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

I am revising my guess based on research alone to say it doesn't have enchi. The head pattern isn't right, even for the single pastel version. Never seen one with enchi that had a 'closed' head pattern.

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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-super-pastel/


http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...=1&n=1&l=0&z=2

Doesnt enchi bring the closed head patterns to certain morphs? Like enchi pieds usually have it and enchi pastels. Some do and some do not though.

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My vote is no enchi as well

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Originally Posted by piedpython

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-super-pastel/


http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...=1&n=1&l=0&z=2

Doesnt enchi bring the closed head patterns to certain morphs? Like enchi pieds usually have it and enchi pastels. Some do and some do not though.

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What enchi does is causes a butterfly on the head when there is pastel present. And FYI that first link is the animal I posted earlier in the thread. Just a different background.