Who can help me find out what Combo are my new hatchlings.

Hi , I am a little confused about what we prodused this year , and I need your experienced eye.

I started breeding a pair of Albino female x champagne male (Or I thought that this were correct because the sellers told me so)

I will show you the parents pictures and you will understand what I am talking about.

Female

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps734500b9.jpg


http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps290ddefa.jpg


http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps6aa2cfdd.jpg



Male

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps8b39b7c0.jpg


http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps451d88a0.jpg



http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps2f2cee30.jpg


And out of this couple We have Got those offsprings


http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...pse52e8770.jpg


And here are my thoughts.

Is the Albino female , Albino Yellow belly?
Do you see Fire Gene in the female albino?
Is the Champagne hiding Yellow belly Too?
Champagne is obviously het Albino.(Red eyes in 2 hatchlings)

I believe that we have produced 0.0.1 Champagne Albino Ivory , 0.0.1 Ivory Albino (maybe champagne),and 0.0.1 Champagne Ivory Fire het Albino.

What do you think?

Do you have any photos from ball pythons looking like those?

Thank You ,and I am waiting for your answers

Look like albino champs to me. Heads look too yellow to be ivorys

Yes what Wes said

They are not Albino champagnes.
Albino Champagne has white rings on the back.

This photo is from worldsofballpythons

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps10c10248.jpg

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/spacer.gif
I am considering Ivory , cause they have a yellow stripe on the back.

I'm thinking just Albino Champ because I'm not seeing YB in the Albino or the Champ. But they do seem very clean for just being Albino Champs. Very interesting, congrats!

One thing I've learned for sure is that actual animals are not carbon copies of their WOBP counterparts. Heck - just look at the three pictures on the WOBP page when you're looking at the Albino Champagne and tell me again about your ring on the back theory.

Ok Why I believe my albino has also yellow belly...

Here is why.

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...psfd021ef6.jpg



http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps142b0181.jpg


Please look at the marks at the belly and look also the back.(defused yellow)

Am I right?

Eric I believe that Albino champagne is a standard coloration everybody knows.

Need to see the hatchlings post shed.

I just hatched a clutch where I was not sure if I hit 3 or 4 mutations, and it took the first shed to make it obvious I hit 4.

Post up nice clean shots POST shed (well lit, in focus, on a neutral background, etc...) and we can give you a better guess as to what you have there.

Ok Thank You .
I will wait for them to shed.

and I will upload more photos.

What about the het Albino?
Do you think it looks like it has Fire gene on it?

What we are talking about here are some more targeted guesses.
Obviously I will have to prove what those snakes are.

All the opinions are welcome.
And I thank all of you that took the time to reply to me.

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Originally Posted by Ioannis

Eric I believe that Albino champagne is a standard coloration everybody knows.

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I hear what you're saying, and I can understand your position. However, there are three people that posted before I did (whom I respect) who also believed them to be Albino Champagne. It doesn't look to be as standard as you say it is. While I'm not saying with 100% confidence that is what they are, I also don't believe you can say with confidence that that is what they aren't until they have at least shed out. Do you agree?

Either way, you have some nice looking worms there that I'd be excited to add to my own growing collection. :)

The color will likely change on the het Albino a bit post first shed. Also, I believe there is some pupil trick from telling Fire Champs from regular Champs. Mike Wilbanks posted something about the eyes being black and pupil being red similar to a Super Fire.

I agree with you Eric , I must wait till they shed and grow a little.

I am also excited from this clutch.

Even if it is albino champagne....what is the Het?

Thats why I am really confused.

Definitely wait for them to all shed out and maybe have a few meals so they will at least have a bit more coloration. Also take some much better pictures, I can't tell what I'm looking at because the pics are too blurry. But congrats on this gorgeous clutch 😊haha whatever the little buggers are :P also I hope this doesn't come off as rude but did you buy the Albino & Champagne as an Albino yellow belly & Champagne yellow belly? Because if not there's no way the babies will come out with any Ivory in them. Is that what the breeder sold them to you as or are you just unsure of the genetics of them both? Because I personally can't tell if either of them have yellow belly in them since both if these genes are so diverse and the yb gene is pretty subtle in them both that they might have it & they might not. But if they were sold to you as such then that helps a lot. And I don't know if your albino has fire in it either I couldn't even find a picture of an Albino fire on the web or on World of BP. So sorry were of no help at the moment.


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Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

Definitely wait for them to all shed out and maybe have a few meals so they will at least have a bit more coloration. Also take some much better pictures, I can't tell what I'm looking at because the pics are too blurry. But congrats on this gorgeous clutch haha whatever the little buggers are :P also I hope this doesn't come off as rude but did you buy the Albino & Champagne as an Albino yellow belly & Champagne yellow belly? Because if not there's no way the babies will come out with any Ivory in them. Is that what the breeder sold them to you as or are you just unsure of the genetics of them both? Because I personally can't tell if either of them have yellow belly in them since both if these genes are so diverse and the yb gene is pretty subtle in them both that they might have it & they might not. But if they were sold to you as such then that helps a lot. And I don't know if your albino has fire in it either I couldn't even find a picture of an Albino fire on the web or on World of BP. So sorry were of no help at the moment.


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Thanks for your reply.
I knew that I bought an albino 0.1 and a champagne 1.0
But as you see champagne is also het for albino(I didn't know about it)

I only suppose that it mignt have yellow belly...(cause the snakes contain white regeons)


The het albino has some weird markings that look like a champagne fire.


Here I have some more photos before.

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...psf79c2cda.jpg


http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps4d22c74f.jpg

I am also breeding the same Champagne male with a Fire female

I see albino champagnes, just lower contrast than the albino champagne with the white circles. Remember, both regular albinos and regular champagnes have high contrast and low contrast examples. Your hatchlings simply look lower contrast than the picture from wobp.

Regular champagnes come in very clean versions and also versions with circles or other markings down the dorsal. Thus, albino champagnes will come in very clean versions and also versions with circles or other markings down the dorsal. Albino won't change the pattern, just the color. Since the albino parent has a very clean pattern, it makes sense that the offspring might have a cleaner pattern than the champagne parent. Although the one pic of the babies is too small and less than perfectly in focus (at least on my monitor) to be very certain about anything, I bet those 2 turn out to be "just" albino champagne.

The third baby is the one that interests me the most. It doesn't look like it is just a champagne, although I'm not 100% certain how many pre-shed champagne pics I've seen, so maybe they just look like that. I've not seen one in person.

Even if there is nothing else going on, what a nice surprise that your champagne was het albino!

Looking forward to seeing updates. I always love these mystery surprise type threads.

Nice clutch!
I agree, wait till they shed then more pictures

Thank you guys.
I have to wait till they shed and grow a little.
I will post updates with pictures.

I am also waiting eggs from 0.1 fire x Champagne 1.0 (Now I know it is het albino)
In this way I will see ,if the father has anything else going on .

I am thinking to keep those snakes , and I will try to prove what genes they really have.
I also believe that the het albino champagne is something more.