Chameleon morph

I recently turned this up in a search, and apparently it's a "chameleon" morph. I only see it on that one site, though. At least appearing like this one. Are there other names for it, or is it new? I love it, either way. Can anyone decipher what goes into making it, in lieu of an alternate name?

http://animaniacs.co.za/userfiles/im...Chameleon1.jpg

Paradox?

Whatever it is, it's pretty awesome!

looks like an extreme paradox to me.

these tend to happen randomly, by accident, and people typically fail to reproduce it. so in most cases its not genetic and just happens randomly for reasons that are not understood.

there is one recessive morph that causes it, its called "atomic", Mike Wilbanks has it and works with it. but that morph is still very rare and incredibly expensive, and also looks a bit different.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...mic-queen-bee/

for it to be a morph, it needs to genetically prove out, so that it can be reproduced, and so far that only happened with "atomic".

One of my new favourites for sure, but you say it's completely random. I imagine it must be expensive then. More than a piebald? Because that's another favourite of mine (with, I believe, similar traits), and they're even out of my price range at $700 on the low end (you see any cheaper, let me know).

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One of my new favourites for sure, but you say it's completely random. I imagine it must be expensive then. More than a piebald? Because that's another favourite of mine (with, I believe, similar traits), and they're even out of my price range at $700 on the low end (you see any cheaper, let me know).

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generally its random.

the atomic-gene is the exception, its a proven recessive, you can produce them just like you would produce albinos.

i dont know a price, i dont know if Mike Wilbanks sold any so far. my guess would be in the neighborhood of maybe 50000 dollars, maybe more for a visual male, maybe less for hets. its a brand new morph that produces completely new and stunning optics, and the first sales of such a morph are generally in the price range of a luxury car. it will be many, many years before the price comes down to a level so that hobbyists can afford it.

you might get lucky and find one of the not genetic ones that randomly hatch, like a paradox albino or paradox ivory. these are not expensive, because you cannot reproduce them, but they are rare.

Yes, out of the examples I've seen, I somewhat prefer the ones seemingly random rather than the atomic line, but that's a general statement across the 50 or so snakes I've seen in searches. It just seems as though the random occurences give a more splotchy appearance, which I like. Unless of course some of the search results were mislabelled, which is all too possible. I've added "autumn gloss" to my favourites now too, though. Anyway, it seems mystery solved, so thanks for the help!

I think they would cost a lot more. These are prettier than the sunsets and those bhb is selling two hets for 35k

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Originally Posted by Tat2Guy

I think they would cost a lot more. These are prettier than the sunsets and those bhb is selling two hets for 35k

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You mean autumn gloss? Because (according to world of ball pythons) it's an older morph than sunset, and of course attraction is subjective.

It looks similar to the WTF http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Picture-Heavy)

I would say more like a WTF morph, but I am definitely no expert.
I read the couple books produced by Nerd and it is absolutely crazy how many new but random and unnameable (WTF) morphs they develop. Stunning for sure.
The concept of paradox in general is absolutely fascinating. Thanks for the neat picture. Gave me something to look at while waiting for my 431 class to start :l
Good day!

No bhb is. Or was selling a pair of het sunset ball pythons for 35k. Idk about autumn gloss

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No bhb is. Or was selling a pair of het sunset ball pythons for 35k. Idk about autumn gloss

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The sunset hets are still for sale


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Yeah. I was saying earlier something this rare and beautiful proven genetic I assume would cost more than them.

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a group of 3 scaleless heads sold for 210000, so, yes, it could be higher.

i was just throwing around 50000 as some general number to make clear thats in the range of luxury cars and wont fit into a 700 dollar budget anytime soon. sorry for the confusion this caused, it was not intended as an exact price, i might as well have said 100000. we dont know what the first atomics will be priced at or if that will even be disclosed for the first sales.

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You mean autumn gloss? Because (according to world of ball pythons) it's an older morph than sunset, and of course attraction is subjective.

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Bhb is selling a pair of het sunsets. They only produced their first sunsets recently within the last year or so.
http://bhb-reptiles.myshopify.com/co...t-ball-pythons

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a group of 3 scaleless heads sold for 210000, so, yes, it could be higher.

i was just throwing around 50000 as some general number to make clear thats in the range of luxury cars and wont fit into a 700 dollar budget anytime soon. sorry for the confusion this caused, it was not intended as an exact price, i might as well have said 100000. we dont know what the first atomics will be priced at or if that will even be disclosed for the first sales.

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Your throw around number of $50k a piece is pretty close. :) I took this picture at Mike's booth at NARBC Arlington in August 2013:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...mic-081013.jpg

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Your throw around number of $50k a piece is pretty close. :) I took this picture at Mike's booth at NARBC Arlington in August 2013:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...mic-081013.jpg

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thats some really helpful information :) soon more breeders will have them. they really look rather normal before you start combining them with other morphs.

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Bhb is selling a pair of het sunsets. They only produced their first sunsets recently within the last year or so.

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I realise, but was conjecturing that autumn gloss would be lower in price simply because it's been around longer. I don't see any for sale, though. In my opinion, the prices are ridiculous. If a snake is healthy, it's just as good as any other. Raising prices of snakes with mutated genes is understandable up to a point. Because it takes chance and work to get there, but acting like an animal is the next new fad and everyone will have to have it just because it's new and then sticking an exclusive price tag on it like a celebrity-sponsored pair of shoes is beyond me.

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I realise, but was conjecturing that autumn gloss would be lower in price simply because it's been around longer. I don't see any for sale, though. In my opinion, the prices are ridiculous. If a snake is healthy, it's just as good as any other. Raising prices of snakes with mutated genes is understandable up to a point. Because it takes chance and work to get there, but acting like an animal is the next new fad and everyone will have to have it just because it's new and then sticking an exclusive price tag on it like a celebrity-sponsored pair of shoes is beyond me.

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It supply and demand. If bhb sold the het pair for 1000 buck they be sold out befor they can hit the "selfs" sense there only a couple pair in the world be sold he going to sell them at a much higher price



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I realise, but was conjecturing that autumn gloss would be lower in price simply because it's been around longer. I don't see any for sale, though. In my opinion, the prices are ridiculous. If a snake is healthy, it's just as good as any other. Raising prices of snakes with mutated genes is understandable up to a point. Because it takes chance and work to get there, but acting like an animal is the next new fad and everyone will have to have it just because it's new and then sticking an exclusive price tag on it like a celebrity-sponsored pair of shoes is beyond me.

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The animals being discussed at these price points are not pets, they're investments. Of course a $50k snake is ridiculous...but no more ridiculous than Facebook at 64 bucks a share...

about the high prices....

you can think of it this way: its opposite to old rare non-living things that fetch high prices. like some really rare postage stamp or a baseball card. it used to be really common and low value, but it got less common over the years to the point of being expensive because its now really rare. until the item is so prohibitively expensive that only well-funded top collectors can buy it.

new BP morphs start out really rare and really expensive, and when a really low number is available, they are so prohibitively expensive that only the top breeders can afford it. and then they get more common, price goes down, more enter the market, and the new morph makes its way to medium-sized breeders and well-funded small hobby breeders and so on, until finally it reaches a reasonable price for a pet.

I dont think thats paradox. Paradox is a a morph with a normal "patch"....

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I dont think thats paradox. Paradox is a a morph with a normal "patch"....

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There are extreme cases of paradox

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