Omg mites burn everything

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoosbSTCMAEqrOs.jpg:largeOKAY, so mites. Someone stole my wallet a couple days ago and I have literally had the worst week ever. In any case, I noticed my Banana spider has a couple mites on him! Long story short, I freaked out, betadine bathed him and practically set his old enclosure on fire. Vacuumed like 500 times, disinfected everything everywhere- I almost considered repainting the walls. I am just freaking out. People are telling me water alone won't kill them but I don't have any money to buy the relief for him because my wallet was taken! I am so upset I could just die. I still see mites under his scales and it's just breaking my heart. If they are just dead and still under there are they okay to just be there? I am so sorry to freak out, I am just having the worst, worst week. I put him in an entirely new enclosure my grandmother brought over for me (tub) and she gave me a couple dollars to buy a baby heating pad. But I don't have a credit card for the online ordering crap.
- Freaking out bree

Ok first... breathe. Both of you will get through this.

Second, when you soak your BP add a tiny drop of dish soap to the water. It will decrease the surface tension of the water to help drown the mites. Your BP shouldn't look like it's taking a bubble bath - a teeny drop will do!

Third, if you have a bit of cash - or your grandma will extend you a loan - go to WalMart. You will need:
- NIX or RID lice treatment with the 2 oz (59 ml) cream rinse that has 1% permethrin in it. The "family pack" has two of these bottles.
- a container to mix 1 gallon of water with the NIX/RID. I've used 2 empty 2 liter soda bottles.
- a clean spray bottle

Combine one of the 2 oz NIX/RID bottles with 1 gallon of clean water. Mix very well (warm water helps with this). Pour some into the spray bottle and use that to treat your BP's enclosure, hides, and newspaper or paper towel that you will be using for substrate. Mites climb so be sure to get up under the lip of the tank, and spray some on the outside of the tank as well. Do not treat the water bowl with this!

Once everything is dry you can put the snake and a clean water bowl back into the enclosure. I also keep treated and dried paper on hand so it can be quickly replaced when the snake makes a mess.

I also don't treat the snake directly with the solution but some people do wipe some onto their snake from the neck back, then rinse it off after a few minutes.

Thank you so much! You are so helpful. I can't tell you what an awful week this has been. I will take all the help I can get. Peach thanks you, too. That's my little banana nana. He's a sweetheart.
:D Thank you, thank you, thank you.



(Continuing EDIT: No one ever believes he is a banana spider, so I showed him compared to his brother because I know I will get heat :/ Whatever.
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Since you have multiple BP's go ahead and treat all of their enclosures - mites travel.

Also I'd contact the 3 credit reporting agencies and put a lock on your credit so whoever stole your wallet can't open lines of credit under your name.

Bcr999, I did call my credit agency and have them cancel all my cards, but it sucks hard my license and my school ID are missing :( Plus all those damn fortune cookie slips I was hoarding in there.
All the other snakes are on level 15 quarantine, practically wearing hazmat suits. Poor little things. I bathed and scrubbed every single one of them- even those who were separated by room's distance. While doing so I absolutely disinfected their enclosures. Nothing- not even hope was left alive in their tubs after I was done. But I will probably redo them again later because I really do have a phobia of parasites. The damn burmese is the hard one! Both of them! Harbingers of destruction. They don't make tubs big enough to mite treat those. I mean they do but dear Lord it is difficult. Wish me luck, friend. Thank you so much for the advice.

The mites wont KILL him or harm him aslong as they are drowning, its just the will never stop spreading without "chemicle treatment" so GL with getting them gone they are Satans spawns, and iv only ever had to treat 1 snake in QT with them and the devils spawns died in couple days (with nix as i cant get PAM in canada for cheap) but gorgeous snake and Good luck!

So, I tried my best to give him a soapy bath and no mites came out from under his scales :( Maybe they are dead and just stuck? Or I completely blow.
I am not entirely sure but it is completely disheartening. No store around me sells the reptile relief. And veterinary costs will literally saw off your arm if you even mention a reptile. And to poor Deborah, I am sorry I keep cursing. It's definitely a family trait. I'll try to moderate. Oh and I am sorry about that advertising thing, too back in like March. I definitely didn't read the Terms of Service. I did today, though. Lengthy one there. But not unreasonable.
I wish Brian was here from BHB so I could give him like, 5000 cups of ramen for just one thing of Reptile Relief. Just one.

Thanks Corbin! I love him! He's my heart! :)

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Bcr999, I did call my credit agency and have them cancel all my cards...

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I was talking about putting a freeze on your credit with the credit reporting agencies, not cancelling cards with your credit card company (though obviously that had to be done too). The reporting agencies are EquiFax, TransUnion, and Experian.

If someone has your driving license and other info in your wallet, it's likely they have enough to open new credit accounts under your name unless you put a freeze in place - and eventually the folks who think you owe them money will find you. While the mess can be cleaned up, doing so is as much a pain in the patookus as getting rid of mites.

Well crap, you are right. I didn't think about all that. I am screwed. Mind = Blown.

Can mites travel up glass? Like a 125? And why aren't they drowning? I swear I have held the lower end of my banana spider in the water for 45 minutes and they STILL won't let go!

I almost don't want to ask because it may come across wrong but are you sure it has mites? Could the black specks that you think are mites just be the black specks that bananas get as they age/grow? I don't want to sound insulting but I think it's worth asking as it may save you a lot of trouble.

Here is a picture of young bananas (a spider and regular banana). You can see the speckles just starting to develop.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...anaFemales.jpg

Don't worry you aren't insulting me at all! I expected him to grow into some of his spots because he is half banana half spider but he seemed to grow into them literally overnight, and then I saw with my own eyes a bug crawling on his face. I don't know if it was a mite, a spawn of the devil, but it was definitely moving. Since then, NOTHING has moved, literally nothing. I swear sometimes I think I am losing my mind but banana spots don't just grow over night do they? I am overwhelmed with it.

Maybe it was just some random tiny bug that just happened to be in his enclosure. I don't know. It could be stress. It's probably stress.

The "mites" that aren't coming off are probably just the black specks bananas get. The moving one is a different story. I would just check real well before getting overly stressed.

I just have no idea where it even came from! He was the only moving one we found in our entire area. We checked all our enclosures. Every single one. We feared the baby banana had them because of the moving one but my boyfriend and I couldn't find a single moving monster in any of our tubs. Other than our itty bitty snakes of course. We disinfected absolutely everything anyway though.

I hope your situation gets better. The key to getting rid of mites is in the weekly retreating of the enclosures AND area around the enclosures with the Pam or NIX once a week for at least three weeks. Good luck!

Thank you so much, I am just having a really, really rough week. Oh well. Gotta have Faith.

I also want to ask what substrate are you using. Alot of common hardware store aspen has little bug, that actually are pretty good little garbage cleaner. and with the water its not that you want it to be SOAPY you legit put a drop of Dawn in to give the water a surface retention so the bugs cant float to top and live... as for nix its not that expensive considering you have a 2000$+ snake LOL im sure you could get someone to loan you 20$ for nix and a spray bottle and 2qts of distilled water.

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I almost don't want to ask because it may come across wrong but are you sure it has mites? Could the black specks that you think are mites just be the black specks that bananas get as they age/grow? I don't want to sound insulting but I think it's worth asking as it may save you a lot of trouble.

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I was just about to post this. It sounds like you might be hallucinating. One way to check for the mites pretty definitively is to brace your snakes head and spread the cleft under its chin open. If it has mites, there will be some in there.

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Gotta have Faith.

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Don'y buy snakes off craigslist, research the seller, check the animal when it enters your collection, keep it quarantined away from the other animals.

Thoroughly check the animal for mites, find a way to magnify and look at the specks you're seeing, seek out cheap, local alternatives to exterminate the mites. They're not 'spawn of the devil' - they're just bugs. As a complex, intelligent, scientifically advanced species it is easy for us to defeat bugs.

Cancel your credit cards, order replacements, call the admin and get a new school ID, call the RMV and get a new license.

All of these bad things are in your own personal control - take some small immediate steps and keep taking them until everything is resolved. Faith has nothing to do with these problems and will not resolve them for you.

Interesting, I had no idea that banana BP's became speckled as they aged. Learn something new every day!

And I have been freaked out in the past when looking at the freckles on my boas, and thinking they were mites. Once bitten, twice paranoid...

I don't blame the OP at all for being concerned since she has a Burm - that is a lot of snake to have to treat, even preventively.

Wow, I really don't appreciate your comments on my usage of Faith. I have had a really hard week. Faith has everything to do with how I handle and resolve my issues. Take your discrimination, your crap, your advice, and your love for "the spawn of the devil"- or advanced creatures somewhere else. Maybe I didn't mention how I became so stressed.
My wallet has been stolen. I was robbed at gunpoint for my wedding ring. My anxiety medications as well- STOLEN with my purse. All I have to my name are my snakes and ramen, oh and the small amount of gas in my car.
You want to bash Faith?
Get out of my forum post. You are literally the LAST piece of help I need.
You make me sick.

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Wow, I really don't appreciate your comments on my usage of Faith. I have had a really hard week. Faith has everything to do with how I handle and resolve my issues. Take your discrimination, your crap, your advice, and your love for "the spawn of the devil"- or advanced creatures somewhere else. Maybe I didn't mention how I became so stressed.
My wallet has been stolen. I was robbed at gunpoint for my wedding ring. My anxiety medications as well- STOLEN with my purse. All I have to my name are my snakes and ramen, oh and the small amount of gas in my car.
You want to bash Faith?
Get out of my forum post. You are literally the LAST piece of help I need.
You make me sick.

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I dont think anyone directly bashed you, and taking your frustration out on everyone trying to help you isnt going to get you further either, we are all here trying to help and ONLY KNOW what was told. So to then jump the gun and throw even more at us as if we were spectators is unfair, Again we all hope you and your snakes get better, Have you also QT the banana as they will SPREAD to all the others...

Corbin, it was directed at an isolated comment. See above. Not all of yours. Almost all of yours were so very, very helpful!


EDIT: I quarantined all the animals early this morning. They are separated in entirely different rooms. Completely new tubs. I cleaned every part of the apartment.

Okay, sorry I exploded. It's been a very hard week. Not fair on you all. The Faith comment was literally the last straw though. Completely immature and unnecessary.
I have come to believe it was just a stray mite and for the most part, the spots are just 'nana spots. Thanks so much for the advice from most of you.
Here is a picture of my 'Nana, he appreciates you all very much.


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I didn't bash your faith, I gave you advice on how to resolve and prevent your problems. You posted in a public forum asking for advice from people who feel they're in a position to give it. I assume this means you are in a position to receive and act upon the advice you solicited. My life hasn't been sunshine and puppies forever - it takes WORK to improve your condition. All of the issues you've mentioned in the thread are not catastrophic and are preventable. You should take the opportunity to reflect on how they can be prevented next time. When the going gets tough, the tough do something about it. You took action and, sure enough, things are getting better. Congrats!

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Thank you so much! You are so helpful. I can't tell you what an awful week this has been. I will take all the help I can get. Peach thanks you, too. That's my little banana nana. He's a sweetheart.
:D Thank you, thank you, thank you.



(Continuing EDIT: No one ever believes he is a banana spider, so I showed him compared to his brother because I know I will get heat :/ Whatever.
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Are you saying yours is a Banana Spider? No Spider in your snake.


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the black dots appear to be the first banana speckles.

also i have to say i dont see spider. sure, its much lighter than the clutchmate, but spider is a pattern morph and should be really visible in the pattern. maybe it got some other gene that is making it so much lighter than the other banana in the clutch?

maybe it was just one random bug, combined with the first speckles.

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also i have to say i dont see spider. sure, its much lighter than the clutchmate, but spider is a pattern morph and should be really visible in the pattern. maybe it got some other gene that is making it so much lighter than the other banana in the clutch?

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I've hatched light and dark bananas, like most BP morphs they vary.

Light banana:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...5BananaFe2.jpg

Darker banana:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...alGlowFe-1.jpg

To show the difference here is the picture I posted earlier in the thread of a spider banana and a regular banana:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...anaFemales.jpg

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I've hatched light and dark bananas, like most BP morphs they vary.

To show the difference here is the picture I posted earlier in the thread of a spider banana and a regular banana:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...anaFemales.jpg

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I have faith Dave will send me the animals in the picture.
Without the action of paying for them my faith is empty.
Faith and action can work together to bring positive results.
Thats what your doing now.
Good luck.

Obligatory: well that escalated quickly. The beauty of the internet is, even on your bad days/weeks, you can proofread and stop what you've written. I've had a nightmare week that has physically made me ill (can barely eat) and may change my life and plans. Next time chill out and proof.

I know you've seemed to have resolved your issue, I just want to chime in because I've had a mite nightmare a few years ago. You definitely wouldn't just notice one mite. Definitely check under the chin (gently spread the scales) and around the eyes just to make 100% sure. You should be able to see mites there - and it should be easy since your banana is light in colour. There wouldn't just be one - especially as time has gone by.

I won't protest his genes. Lol, that wasn't what this post was about. I knew I was going to get heat about it before I even said the word spider. I have literally nothing to prove to you all. When I breed him to a normal and there are spiders in the clutch, that will be enough evidence to me. His father was a banana spider, and he looked EXACTLY like him when he was young. I do not care what anyone says on here about variations or normal bananas or light or dark- it doesn't matter. Next season I will get spiders. The end. I'll post the pictures for you. Granted, I'm sure half of you won't even believe it then. It's the internet. People won't believe something even if it is shoved down their throats and out the other end. I asked about mites. Not for your opinion on his genetics.

Not sure why people have to instill doubt. He is my banana spider. I will call him what I will. Thanks for that last half of completely unneeded advice.
-Bree

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Obligatory: well that escalated quickly. The beauty of the internet is, even on your bad days/weeks, you can proofread and stop what you've written. I've had a nightmare week that has physically made me ill (can barely eat) and may change my life and plans. Next time chill out and proof.

I know you've seemed to have resolved your issue, I just want to chime in because I've had a mite nightmare a few years ago. You definitely wouldn't just notice one mite. Definitely check under the chin (gently spread the scales) and around the eyes just to make 100% sure. You should be able to see mites there - and it should be easy since your banana is light in colour. There wouldn't just be one - especially as time has gone by.

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I completely agree. I thought I was going insane because I only ever saw one living thing move, but everything else was just a tiny speckle- underneath the skin. So I am assuming a banana spot. I am a bit done with a fiasco. I literally scrubbed and sanitized every possible thing in the apartment and I'm finally calm with the incident. I am little left over annoyed with how the direction of this forum post went, but that's how it always happen. You say orange, people start talking about mustangs. I expected it. Thanks for understanding. I checked all his little nooks and crannies. He's clean as a whistle :)

I guess to give a bit of background of the banana because I became sort of defensive, I'll explain a bit on him. When I got him from a breeder in Cincinnati, it was from a man who bred not only one but two panda pied in his life. He breeds tons of pied projects mainly but was convinced this particular banana spider was something special. I took him to the Louisville herpetologist who is also a VERY versed ball python and burmese breeder with a variety of contacts. Both of them were convinced it was a banana spider with an unusual head pattern. Now I know it doesn't make any sense to you all and I become pretty defensive off the bat because Lord do I hate being told all the time it's just a banana. But I have taken him to some of the most renown breeders and they all argue but agree it is a spider. The only way to prove it of course is to breed him this season and I will, but until then I refuse to let people call him "just a banana". It drives me mad.

He is so much more. Images can't capture it, but he has a faint vivid orange pattern on his head that grows literally almost every day. Yet the purple "normal" head pattern fades. He IS a banana spider. So I am sorry I exploded. I am a bit sick and tired of explaining the same story over and over again for people not to listen. It gets a bit old. For a community who believes so much in mutation, it's odd that they can't place a little hope that mine is a bit more special than most. Depressing really. But again, I have Faith. So anyway, that's the end of my speech. Mite problem is fixed. Thank you all again. Have wonderful nights.
Goodnight from 'Nana.

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I won't protest his genes. Lol, that wasn't what this post was about. I knew I was going to get heat about it before I even said the word spider. I have literally nothing to prove to you all. When I breed him to a normal and there are spiders in the clutch, that will be enough evidence to me. His father was a banana spider, and he looked EXACTLY like him when he was young. I do not care what anyone says on here about variations or normal bananas or light or dark- it doesn't matter. Next season I will get spiders. The end. I'll post the pictures for you. Granted, I'm sure half of you won't even believe it then. It's the internet. People won't believe something even if it is shoved down their throats and out the other end. I asked about mites. Not for your opinion on his genetics.

Not sure why people have to instill doubt. He is my banana spider. I will call him what I will. Thanks for that last half of completely unneeded advice.
-Bree

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Do you have pics of the sire, or a link to the sire on the breeder's website/FB/etc?

His mother was a normal. His father was a banana spider. Banana spiders don't all look the same. If you don't believe me look up Loxahatchee herp hatchery on FB. Their banana spiders look almost exactly like mine. But mine is NOT of their blood line whatsoever. People need to stop believing everything looks like the picture straight from the textbook.
Mutations are literally the embodiment of breaking the genetic boundaries or rules of the bloodlines before them. Oh and to make things better, mine is only 3 months old. He hasn't even settled into a lick of his color, yet.
Have fun researching. They are based in FL. Hope your minds are blown.
-B

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Banana spider looks a little like mine if you ask me. And notice that? Odd head pattern. Fantastic. Goodnight. Message them for more details. I am not getting into it any further. Not my hatchery.

This is the only banana spider I see on Loxahatchee's FB:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...levant_count=1

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Banana spider looks a little like mine if you ask me. And notice that? Odd head pattern. Fantastic. Goodnight. Message them for more details. I am not getting into it any further. Not my hatchery.

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This is the quote on that photo:

"What are those two coral glows doing in the picture??? They are 100% het pied male maker males. They are available also...5K"

Coral Glows 100% het pied, not Spider Coral Glows.


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

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Banana spider looks a little like mine if you ask me. And notice that? Odd head pattern. Fantastic. Goodnight. Message them for more details. I am not getting into it any further. Not my hatchery.

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You have a beautiful snake and I do not want to stir the pot more but if you do not mind me asking what did you pay for the "banana spider"? ~$1000 or ~$4000? I think that will determine what you really have there.


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You have a beautiful snake and I do not want to stir the pot more but if you do not mind me asking what did you pay for the "banana spider"? ~$1000 or ~$4000? I think that will determine what you really have there.


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I paid 4k
I didn't want to say that because I knew people were going to give me crap. But that's how much I believe he is a spider. He will produce spiders. The end. If not, then I got screwed. But until then, to me, he IS a SPIDER.
I trust the breeder who sold him to me. I've seen the father banana spider. From when he was young to an adult. No one is talking me out of it.

Oh, and he if doesn't produce spiders the breeder (Joe) is reimbursing me.
So it's not like I got screwed anyway.

Again, lol, only way to know is to breed him. And I will. Banana and spider babies everywhere are my plans.

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I paid 4k
I didn't want to say that because I knew people were going to give me crap. But that's how much I believe he is a spider. He will produce spiders. The end. If not, then I got screwed. But until then, to me, he IS a SPIDER.
I trust the breeder who sold him to me. I've seen the father banana spider. From when he was young to an adult. No one is talking me out of it.

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I meant to say around 4,000 but my phone is screwing up hardcore. I'm not giving exact numbers if you don't mind :P

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For a community who believes so much in mutation, it's odd that they can't place a little hope that mine is a bit more special than most. Depressing really. But again, I have Faith.

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More depressing is that your faith that it's a spider has caused you to put up blinders to the input of objective (they didn't sell you the snake) experienced breeders. I personally would not pay 'retail' price on a snake that wasn't a perfect indisputable example of a given morph or combo. At that cost, I would probably seek out the input of some other breeders before buying and would decline if there was doubt. Regardless, if you enjoy your purchase and he's now healthy that is all that matters. Good luck proving out whatever genetics may be there.

So I was helpful when you needed it regarding the "mites" but then I try and help point out the genetics and...never mind. I'm sorry I got involved.

I just dig the fact that the breeder is backing it as a banana spider. Seems like a nifty way to get a banana on loan for a couple seasons for free.

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Banana and spider babies everywhere are my plans.

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Well then you may want to buy a spider.