noo eggs!!

dam ive been trying for months .. i still got no eggs .. ive witnessed many locks .. my female is close to 3 years and is over 2000g .. my male is producing sperm .. i just don't know whats going on .. i tried to feel for eggs but idk what im doing this is my 1st year doing this .. i have been putting my male in once a month ..i just want to know if theres a cut off date or can i just keep pairing and trying ? .. i was really hoping for a male something out of the paring to use next year

I'm pretty sure you can technically breed balls all year round in captivity but most people prefer this time of year, as it is Ball Python breeding season.

What's the rush though? If nothing happens this year, you've got next breeding season. Especially if its your first time.

I've always thought the three day rule was one that was followed by a lot of breeders. (Put the male in with the female for three days, then out for three days.) So you could try that method.

Try giving them water bowls.

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Try giving them water bowls.

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I see what you did there...

yea i know i got next season but i was hoping for something out the clutch this season ..
im sure a water bowl has nothing to do with it .. besides i would take the water bowl out when the male is introduced so there is nothing in the way

I think that giving the females plenty of food and water in the fall is vital to breeding. Females lose a huge portion of their body weigh producing eggs. If the environmental conditions aren't right I feel that for their own well being they won't produce. Ask any breeder that's experienced a drought during breeding season and I bet they had a weaker year. Also, a drought means less for rodents to eat and produce so a dry fall means less meals for ball pythons and their babies in the spring. I feed heavy in the fall and make sure they always have fresh water and proper humidity. In addition, I see my snakes drink quite a bit when they are feeding strong. I can see the females behavior in the fall and pretty accurately guess who is going to produce and who won't. I remove the water bowl when my snakes are paired up as well but that's not really the point.

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yea i know i got next season but i was hoping for something out the clutch this season ..
im sure a water bowl has nothing to do with it .. besides i would take the water bowl out when the male is introduced so there is nothing in the way

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try leaving the water bowl in so that there is something wet in the way :)

just joking. you can leave it in, or take it out when its just for a day or two.

keep trying, it should work eventually.

yea I know the point was the jab at the water bowl thing .. but I guess all u people are just so stuck on that I didn't have water bowls in my tubs u act like I was depriving them of water ..
when i1st stated breeding the water bowls were in tubs ok I since I kept snakes I kept wate bowls in the tubs I took them out to try something for a couple of months just like stated In that post ... and also stated in that post the I put the bowls back in the tubs ..

so can we please get over the water bowl thing already ..

there was never no drought my snakes have been eating weekly and gaining weight and growing perfectly healthy ..

I find it interesting when people ask questions but refuse to listen to others with more experience. Sounds like you have all the answers so continue on. What I was trying to say was that not having water may instinctually make them feel like there are drought like conditions...Maybe she was building and reabsorbed during those couple months.

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yea I know the point was the jab at the water bowl thing .. but I guess all u people are just so stuck on that I didn't have water bowls in my tubs u act like I was depriving them of water ..
when i1st stated breeding the water bowls were in tubs ok I since I kept snakes I kept wate bowls in the tubs I took them out to try something for a couple of months just like stated In that post ... and also stated in that post the I put the bowls back in the tubs ..

so can we please get over the water bowl thing already ..

there was never no drought my snakes have been eating weekly and gaining weight and growing perfectly healthy ..

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You made a change by removing their water source.
Have you had any clutches laid before doing this?
You played an experiment with your snakes and then asked about it so don't get all pissy when it comes back to bite you.
I guess you cannot say it didn't affect them the way you thought.

no never had no clutches b4 / so I cant say anything about anything changing
yes I was trying something new
how could the snakes consider a drought if there tubs where not in a drought there was then enough condensation built up in a one corner of the tub from where I sprayed down the spag and the tubes keep more then enough humidity in there .. I actually kept my tubs with a little extra humidity because I took out the bowl .. so ur telling me since there was no water bowls in my tubs my snakes identified this as a drought even thought there was always enough build up of water to never simulate any kind of drought ...

I don't have all the answers im just tired of hearing all u talk crazy about the water bowls .. n like I said the water bowls have been back in the huts

Just to point something out... condensation on the corner is not like a water bowl. Breeding females need quite a bit more water than a non breeding female. They use the extra liquid to help form the eggs. The lack of water bowls could have had an impact on the amount of water they were able to drink and how much they could retain for egg production. I have noticed with all breeding females I have ever had they drink a lot more and pass urine a lot less. Not bashing what you tried but doing what you did could have forced them to not produce at all this year.

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Your female may be one that needs( wants ) to be cooled for a while before she produces eggs. I tried 3-4 years with one female never produce (even with all the locks I was getting) My wife was set on cooling down this season and I got 7 eggs ( one infertile and a slug) all cause we cooled down. I was all set to write these snakes off as sterile..

a german breeder just produced a video about how to set up racks.

and he says too much belly heat destroys the sperm and leads to slugs, or may even destroy the follicles alltogether. so he puts the heat mats over each tub, on the underside of each wood panel. with, for example, 7 heat mats for 6 tubs. he says it leads to a warmer area on one side of the tub, but only moderate warmth will come through from below as belly heat. he also provides a humid hide and a large water bowl.

so maybe belly heat and/or a cooldown does have something to do with it. for mechnut a cooldown period works, and the german breeder says he does it by reducing the amount of belly heat by changing the design of the racks. so a large water bowl on the cold side might also help because the female can use it to thermoregulate.

that's interesting python