who uses water bowls and who dont

Wanna know just put y for yes and n for no

1) Why wouldn't you?
2) Some snakes don't just get a bowl, they get a tub.

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I know a lot of people will say its not required and I might even agree with them. However look at most of the big breeders, you would think if water bowls where not a good thing they would not spend all the time it takes to constantly be filling/changing them out.

I have water bowls. But it's mainly to help humidity.....

I think they do cause it helps keep the tubs humid .. ive seen no change in my snakes since ive stopped using them

Yes of course, it is ridiculous not too. While BP's get most of the water they need from the rodents they eat that doesn't mean that they don't need access to fresh water.

I see all of my BP's drink from their water dish on a regular basis

If a BP is on a feeding strike their only source of water is a water dish in the cage. They will die of dehydration long before they do of hunger.

A water dish will help humidify the cage, and provide a place where they can cool down if necessary. Further changing/refilling the water dishes on a regular basis is a good way to make sure your snake is healthy and your cage/heating system is functioning properly. There is absolutely no good reason not to have a water dish in the cage.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

If a BP is on a feeding strike their only source of water is a water dish in the cage. They will die of dehydration long before they do of hunger.

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Good point when I had one boy go on strike this year for about 3/4 months thru this time he was given fresh water everyday since he was not eating

I dunno. I'm sure they could do okay without water dishes here since I'm in the south and our humidity's pretty high, but I see mine drink quite a bit (not excessively, but I see them drink). They're such simple animals anyway, I'd feel kind of crappy taking away something as basic as water that they DO interact with/use, you know? And it isn't as though it's hard to keep them clean and filled.

Then again, I have 2 - not 200.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

I see all of my BP's drink from their water dish on a regular basis

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So do I...I can't imagine a good reason for not providing a water bowl...:confusd:

Mine eats well and drinks even better. I see her drinking almost every night. She doesn't soak her entire body, but she does crawl through it like it's not even there. I was in Petco today and saw a BP soaking in the dish. Probably has something to do with them not keeping the humidity high enough!!

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

They will die of dehydration long before they do of hunger.

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thats basically it. they drink more often than they eat. and while you cannot give them 24/7 access to a rhodent, you can give them 24/7 access to water.

ive alread seen a thread asking if they need a substrate, and another thread asking if hides are required. and now the water bowl is under debate. im fine with keeping it simple, but a water bowl has to be one of the essentials.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

ive alread seen a thread asking if they need a substrate, and another thread asking if hides are required. and now the water bowl is under debate. im fine with keeping it simple, but a water bowl has to be one of the essentials.

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This is kind of what I mean by them already being simple creatures, and not being willing to cut it down to the absolute 'won't kill the snake' minimum.

Do I believe they will DIE without hides, substrate and a water bowl? No. I understand that they're reptiles and not exactly complex creatures. I get that all they need is fed once in a while, the right temps and humidity and cleaned up after. But at some point it becomes spartan to the degree that it's just SAD. Yes, sad for me, but still sad. I'm not breeding. These are just my pets. But keeping them in an empty warm box just...depresses me. Getting a drink of water when they want one and having a secure place to curl up isn't overly complicated, I don't think, or beyond the realm of reason to provide.

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Originally Posted by Morris Reese

I was in Petco today and saw a BP soaking in the dish. Probably has something to do with them not keeping the humidity high enough!!

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Or it has mites.

I've seen all of my snakes drink, even the ones that are not fasting. There is no reason to leave an animal without access to clean water.

Different section too, because MOST beepers aren't swimmers, but what about anacondas? Mine soak darn near constantly. No no because of mites, but they are a very water friendly species. I even gave my big yellow girl a 4' kiddie pool in her tub. She swims in that thing all the time.

And on a more basic note: if one cannot provide something as simple as a water bowl due to cost or for one less thing to clean, perhaps a pet rock is more your speed lol.

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All snakes should have access to water 24/7. It really shouldn't even be questioned whether or not they should have one.

^^^^this guy!
There's absolutely no reason not to give them access to water!


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All of mine have water bowls. I catch them drinking quite often. I think they should always have access to fresh water.

This is one one of those basic questions that needs to be answered before you even think about getting any pet, "am I able to give this animal shelter, proper temps and WATER? If the answer is no to any of those then don't buy the animal in the first place!


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My questions: How LAZY do you have to be to not water something that you only have to feed once every week or every other week?? :rage:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

My questions: How LAZY do you have to be to not water something that you only have to feed once every week or every other week?? :rage:

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This is basically it. I can't think of a single reason besides laziness for not having a water dish in the cage.

This poll is purely TROLLING and not something that will make me want to come back to this forum.

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Originally Posted by LupineNight

This poll is purely TROLLING and not something that will make me want to come back to this forum.

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That's all it takes for you to not wanna come back to the forum?

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

That's all it takes for you to not wanna come back to the forum?

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Does it make you wanna come back for more of the same?

BTW, I did not say I would not return because of the one thread, I said trolling is "not something that will make me want to come back to this forum", meaning that sort of b.s. is not why I visit forums. My point was that to a new member, someone with 800+ posts (a pretty established member) trolling, is a big disappointment. However, if I find that the majority of threads are this asinine, yes, it is more than enough. Oh, and thanks for continuing the troll.

A question was asked. People are answering the question. Simple as that.

And yes, I use a water bowl, it's almost silly not to, I mean water is one of those things most living beings need to live, it's kinda what sustains life on earth. If snakes didn't need it, I think the Mars Rover would of found alien snakes by now. Plus, not providing water just seems cruel.

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Originally Posted by LupineNight

Does it make you wanna come back for more of the same?

BTW, I did not say I would not return because of the one thread, I said trolling is "not something that will make me want to come back to this forum", meaning that sort of b.s. is not why I visit forums. My point was that to a new member, someone with 800+ posts (a pretty established member) trolling, is a big disappointment. However, if I find that the majority of threads are this asinine, yes, it is more than enough. Oh, and thanks for continuing the troll.

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Its trolling when you keep poking and dont let things die. Its asking for advice when you have a smaller collection and want to see how everyone else does it. Honest answer is as I said before...yes I use water bowls. If it came down to it though...no I do not think they are needed, they are a plus, but they are not needed.

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Originally Posted by LupineNight

Does it make you wanna come back for more of the same?

BTW, I did not say I would not return because of the one thread, I said trolling is "not something that will make me want to come back to this forum", meaning that sort of b.s. is not why I visit forums. My point was that to a new member, someone with 800+ posts (a pretty established member) trolling, is a big disappointment. However, if I find that the majority of threads are this asinine, yes, it is more than enough. Oh, and thanks for continuing the troll.

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I feel like I'm being trolled right now. 3 posts and already calling people out as trolls?

Lay your foundation before you build your walls big fella. That home improvement tip was free of charge ;)

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Originally Posted by LupineNight

This poll is purely TROLLING and not something that will make me want to come back to this forum.

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I had to think about this...................
Your assumption is yours to assume.
The is one of the largest reptile forums on the net and as one of many MODs we take care of it as if it is our own.
You are welcome to be here as is anyone that chooses to join but you are not bound to stay here either.
There are TOS for this site that everyone needs to read.
That being said, everyone WILL respect each other.
In other word play nice or get a time out. :gj:

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Originally Posted by sho220

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:rolleyes:

OK, I guess I'm taking the trolling thing too seriously. I just can't believe someone would ask that question and people would not be appalled by it being asked in the first place. But, I do wanna know what prompted the OP to ask this inane question.

p.s. there were several other posts added before I finished this one

If a heated argument about forum trolling breaks out on a thread about water bowls, I'm gonna laugh.. just saying.

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OK, I guess I'm taking the trolling thing too seriously. I just can't believe someone would ask that question and people would not be appalled by it being asked in the first place. But, I do wanna know what prompted the OP to ask this inane question.

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No question is a stupid question :P haha

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OK, I guess I'm taking the trolling thing too seriously. I just can't believe someone would ask that question and people would not be appalled by it being asked in the first place. But, I do wanna know what prompted the OP to ask this inane question.

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Hang around a while...you ain't seen nuttin' yet...:D

They see me trollin... they hatin... patrolin they trying to catch me trollin dirty.

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Originally Posted by KING JAMES

Its trolling when you keep poking and dont let things die. Its asking for advice when you have a smaller collection and want to see how everyone else does it. Honest answer is as I said before...yes I use water bowls. If it came down to it though...no I do not think they are needed, they are a plus, but they are not needed.

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First the least important- trolling is also when you know the answer to something but you're trying to get a reaction out of people, which is what the poll seemed to me to be designed to do, after all who doesn't provide water??? So I obviously TOTALLY disagree with you in regards to water. Will you please point me to any legitimate information regarding the lack of need for water that captive BPs apparently have? I am completely floored that someone thinks a water dish isn't a necessity.

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Originally Posted by JoRandom

No question is a stupid question :P haha

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Better yet "Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer."

It is a valid question as it can be done. I dont like it but you can keep BPs without water bowls. The OP was just wondering how many people really do it. If the humidity is proper and they are being fed on a regular basis then a water bowl is nice but not 100% required. Once again I do not agree with that as I do provide a water bowl but it is not needed for the snake to survive.

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Originally Posted by KING JAMES

It is a valid question as it can be done. I dont like it but you can keep BPs without water bowls. The OP was just wondering how many people really do it. If the humidity is proper and they are being fed on a regular basis then a water bowl is nice but not 100% required. Once again I do not agree with that as I do provide a water bowl but it is not needed for the snake to survive.

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I guess "survival" vs "being alive AND healthy" are arguably different, however I am still not convinced that:

1. it is not very poor husbandry to not provide water
2. a BP can and will survive long-term without said water
3. a BP can and will maintain healthy hydration, digestion and stress levels without water provided
4. anyone can keep the humidity "proper" 24/7/365 yr after yr even if your statement is true

*Show me a 10 year old HEALTHY captive BP that has never had a water dish.*

Agree with everyone. I can't see not providing one as a acceptable practice.

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

Wanna know just put y for yes and n for no

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If your just taking a poll here I would say the "Y's" have it!

The question was yes or no ..
There was no need for anyone's reason ..
its not about being lazy or anything like that ..
it was is do u or dont u ..

is it really necessary to put a water bowl in ur snakes tub ... a while back I seen someone saying they didnt use water bowl and I got to thinking y do I use them .. my humidity stays good all the time .. i spray down tubs 2 times a week and when I do this there is more then enough water build up on the side of the tub I spray on for the snake to take a drink ..

If I have a snake fasting then I will provide water 24/7 till it starts eating again

I was just asking a question on who does n who doesnt .. u can think what u want of me because I dont keep water bowls in my tubs ..
I used to but then I took them out to see what would happen and everything is still the same

I don't think it is possible to get into this without questioning why we do or don't, at least among ourselves.

I do. My snakes are simple, dumb, basic creatures with limited (no) ability to appreciate or enjoy things like environmental enrichment. Being able to get a drink or stick their heads in water or soak if they so chose is one of the very basic things they CAN do. And frankly I'm not interested, personally, in doing the bare minimum that they can survive. I'm not going to start deciding to take them on walks or deciding they love me, but a bowl of water and a hide? Yeah. I'm giving them that, because those are the little things they can and do make use of.

They're simple, primitive, animals but they're still ANIMALS. I wouldn't keep a FISH without a plant or something to use a hide if it so chose (though admittedly dark tubs in racks BECOME hides, so that's not an issue in those scenarios, it is for mine as they're in clear containers without racks).

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

The question was yes or no ..
There was no need for anyone's reason ..
its not about being lazy or anything like that ..
it was is do u or dont u ..

is it really necessary to put a water bowl in ur snakes tub ... a while back I seen someone saying they didnt use water bowl and I got to thinking y do I use them .. my humidity stays good all the time .. i spray down tubs 2 times a week and when I do this there is more then enough water build up on the side of the tub I spray on for the snake to take a drink ..

If I have a snake fasting then I will provide water 24/7 till it starts eating again

I was just asking a question on who does n who doesnt .. u can think what u want of me because I dont keep water bowls in my tubs ..
I used to but then I took them out to see what would happen and everything is still the same

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When you did use water bowls, did you ever see any of your snakes drink?

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Originally Posted by sho220

When you did use water bowls, did you ever see any of your snakes drink?

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No .. I used to watch them forever when I 1st got them .. I only seen one ever soak n that was right b4 his shed but once I got that good during sheds I never seen it again ..
i see no difference with or with out them .. I cant even say I had snakes that tipped them cause I never did so they werent even a hassle for me .. I just decided to try something different and to see what would happen ... when I get hatchlings I will keep a bowl in there for a bit .. n when I have one on strike .. but other the I have seen no change in my snakes behavior .. if I did I would have put the bowls back in immediately .. but everything is still same with them from day one

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No .. I used to watch them forever when I 1st got them .. I only seen one ever soak n that was right b4 his shed but once I got that good during sheds I never seen it again ..
i see no difference with or with out them .. I cant even say I had snakes that tipped them cause I never did so they werent even a hassle for me .. I just decided to try something different and to see what would happen ... when I get hatchlings I will keep a bowl in there for a bit .. n when I have one on strike .. but other the I have seen no change in my snakes behavior .. if I did I would have put the bowls back in immediately .. but everything is still same with them from day one

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Just curious, but how long have you been going without water bowls? And have you noticed any change in feeding response/consistency. Have you bred bp's? And if so, have you noticed any changes since going waterbowl-less? Obviously, in the wild, they don't have bowls of fresh water to drink from. During the dry season, they hibernate (or aestivate), so I'm just curious if they show any signs of hibernating when they don't have access to water.

edit: I may be using hibernate and aestivate wrong..."hibernate" is generally used for going dormant in cold, and "aestivate" during high heat and dryness. If anyone can clarify that would be great...

I am only attempting to breed one girl this year and it is my 1st time breeding .. from what I have seen ( to my knowledge ) was 2 locks one last month and one the other day .. i have no change in feed response .. id say this has to be about month 3 or 4 without bowls.. all other behavior seems the same since b4 I removed water

They all are growing very well and are all eating once a week

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I am only attempting to breed one girl this year and it is my 1st time breeding .. from what I have seen ( to my knowledge ) was 2 locks one last month and one the other day .. i have no change in feed response .. id say this has to be about month 3 or 4 without bowls.. all other behavior seems the same since b4 I removed water

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Thanks. Would be interesting to see if there are any long-term changes due to this...

I've seen my snake drink water on a regular basis. I can't imagine denying him something as simple as being able to drink water whenever he needs to. It doesn't take much time to fill his water bowl, especially since I'm gone for most of the day, the last I could do is give him water.

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

The question was yes or no ..
There was no need for anyone's reason ..
its not about being lazy or anything like that ..
it was is do u or dont u ..

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You can't expect to throw out a question like that on a forum and not have people give opinions.


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Originally Posted by steve_r34

The question was yes or no ..
There was no need for anyone's reason ..
its not about being lazy or anything like that ..
it was is do u or dont u ..

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Yes, it is a REQUIREMENT to supply a water bowl for your snake. Yes they DO drink from a water bowl. Yes they can become dehydrated when one is not present even with regular feeding. It's quite possible that they go long periods of time without drinking in the wild, but your cage is NOT in the wild. Yes I HAVE seen ball pythons dead from dehydration. Supplying a water bowl for your snake is NOT optional.