Just a nice butter or?

Hello guys,

I'm new here and want to show you my butters from last year. Pairing was butter x normal and I got 3 butt/3 normal...2 of them looks usual, the right one on picture, but 1 of them is much more lighter. So what do you say about left snake on picture is this also a regular butter or?http://imageshack.com/a/img513/3137/psu7.jpg

Sometimes in the same clutch mutations can vary in color or contrast.

I say its an absolute keeper when they are that yellow. Some yellow with age, but that is a keeper.

^^^ Agreed. The one on the left is a higher-quality lesser and one I would hold back. :D

it somehow reminds me of the "het daddy" gene. whats the ancestry, how far do the records go back? maybe you got something called "lesser platinum" or "platty daddy" in the bloodlines.

(its the weakest gene in the BEL complex, its a codominant, WOBP falsely calls it a dominant, the heterozygous version is indistinguishable from a normal, even the super form is quite unremarkable. the supers are just a few shades lighter than normals, and you can see a little bit of BEL influence. but it strongly interacts with lesser/butter. if there is a true platty daddy in the ancestry, the ones that get the "het daddy" gene instead of the "lesser/butter" gene can easily be re-labeled or mislabeled as normals. its conceivable that you, by random chance or because of genetics in the ancestry you dont know, hit a true platty daddy. im putting this in brackets because im speculating.)

anyway, the one on the left is definitively a keeper. thats what selective breeding is all about, the absolutely best of the best you produce is what stays with you. oh, and, repeat exactly the same pairing, you could get another one. if my speculations are right, repeating the same pairing would continue to give you clutches with a 25% chance to get another one of these. it would mean that your "normal" in fact carries the almost invisible "het daddy" gene. also, repeating the same pairing will help to figure this one out, and if its a gene like the "het daddy" or some other stealthy gene that interacts with strong BEL genes, once you figured it out you can produce more of these at will in the following generations.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

it somehow reminds me of the "het daddy" gene. whats the ancestry, how far do the records go back? maybe you got something called "lesser platinum" or "platty daddy" in the bloodlines.

(its the weakest gene in the BEL complex, its a codominant, WOBP falsely calls it a dominant, the heterozygous version is indistinguishable from a normal, even the super form is quite unremarkable. the supers are just a few shades lighter than normals, and you can see a little bit of BEL influence. but it strongly interacts with lesser/butter. if there is a true platty daddy in the ancestry, the ones that get the "het daddy" gene instead of the "lesser/butter" gene can easily be re-labeled or mislabeled as normals. its conceivable that you, by random chance or because of genetics in the ancestry you dont know, hit a true platty daddy. im putting this in brackets because im speculating.)

anyway, the one on the left is definitively a keeper. thats what selective breeding is all about, the absolutely best of the best you produce is what stays with you. oh, and, repeat exactly the same pairing, you could get another one. if my speculations are right, repeating the same pairing would continue to give you clutches with a 25% chance to get another one of these. it would mean that your "normal" in fact carries the almost invisible "het daddy" gene. also, repeating the same pairing will help to figure this one out, and if its a gene like the "het daddy" or some other stealthy gene that interacts with strong BEL genes, once you figured it out you can produce more of these at will in the following generations.

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lesser is short for lesser platinum and nothing there resembles a platinum aka platty daddy. Out of the couple super daddy (homozygous daddy gene) I have seen, I don't see them being a few shades lighter, looks just like the heterozygous to me. Regardless there is no daddy gene in either of those snakes, I'm not quite sure what you think you are seeing, but if either of those butters had the daddy gene, it would be a platinum.

Left is a Lesser, right is a Butter...

OWAL nailed it 100%... Nice Lesser

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

lesser is short for lesser platinum and nothing there resembles a platinum aka platty daddy. Out of the couple super daddy (homozygous daddy gene) I have seen, I don't see them being a few shades lighter, looks just like the heterozygous to me. Regardless there is no daddy gene in either of those snakes, I'm not quite sure what you think you are seeing, but if either of those butters had the daddy gene, it would be a platinum.

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i see that one is significantly brighter and has significantly different colors. and that got my mind working on how that could be explained. maybe, while my explanation is wrong, it still carries a grain of truth. maybe one other gene that interacts with lesser/butter is responsible.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Left is a Lesser, right is a Butter...

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first of all i think both genes are the same, but, secondly, if you want to differentiate i would call the more yellow ones butter and the more grey ones lesser. thirdly, thats not possible from a butter to normal pairing.

to figure it out we need more data. you can either get that data by learning more about the ancestry of both parents, thats the easy way, or by continuing to breed the line and figure it out based on offspring.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

i see that one is significantly brighter and has significantly different colors. and that got my mind working on how that could be explained. maybe, while my explanation is wrong, it still carries a grain of truth. maybe one other gene that interacts with lesser/butter is responsible.



first of all i think both genes are the same, but, secondly, if you want to differentiate i would call the more yellow ones butter and the more grey ones lesser. thirdly, thats not possible from a butter to normal pairing.

to figure it out we need more data. you can either get that data by learning more about the ancestry of both parents, thats the easy way, or by continuing to breed the line and figure it out based on offspring.

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I was kidding. There's nothing to figure out. They're both Butters...

They are both butters. The one on the left being better quality.

Unless ones a lesser...:p

I just want to update post with some new pictures. This butter are impressing me every shed
http://i57.tinypic.com/2lwx647.jpg

and nice butterbee from this season
http://i60.tinypic.com/2vcyqkz.jpg

sorry for bad english and not pro pictures