Any guess is welcome....

Hey guys....wondering what morph he is, if any?http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../6/8/tobey.jpg

Looks like a Normal to me....IMO.

That's what I was thinking, but I don't have the experience to really know

Well thats just my thought...Lets see what others say.

Pastel

I see pastel also - brown out line the only thing to go on though.

Not the best pic but between the contrast and faded head, I would say pastel, probably not the best one.

Here is mine. I was told this is a pastel. It looks more like a black pastel to me. can anyone explain the difference?


http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l...psceccaa28.jpg

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Originally Posted by blk02ssmonte

Here is mine. I was told this is a pastel. It looks more like a black pastel to me. can anyone explain the difference?


http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l...psceccaa28.jpg

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That's a normal, not a pastel, not a black pastel.

This will help you visualise each morph http://www.worldofballpythons.com/

And this will too http://ball-pythons.net/forums/forum...-Python-Morphs

sorry but I don't see any differences between the black pastel and mine. I just cant see it. not that your wrong I just need a more obvious difference to see it and learn it.

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sorry but I don't see any differences between the black pastel and mine. I just cant see it. not that your wrong I just need a more obvious difference to see it and learn it.

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Another example:

My Black Pastels:

http://daybreakerexotics.weebly.com/deisha.html

http://daybreakerexotics.weebly.com/attolay.html

A couple of my normals:

http://daybreakerexotics.weebly.com/capona.html

http://daybreakerexotics.weebly.com/jionni.html

Pastel:

http://daybreakerexotics.weebly.com/telly.html

I see normal.
I used to think subtle morphs looked exactly the same, everyone was once like that. But the more you look at different morphs, especially in person, you'll more easily be able to tell the difference between subtle morphs.

I see differences in the one normal you have, but I think mine looks like your attolay pic the middle one april 17 2013. I have 2 normal and this one looks nothing like either one of them. I guess I am going to have to get to a show and try a side by side comparison because I honestly just cant see it. I do appreciate the pics and help. I am fairly new and just need to learn more.

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps3fd19bf7.jpg

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l...psceccaa28.jpg

Op, looks like a low quality pastel.

To the thread jacker, yours is normal.

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I see differences in the one normal you have, but I think mine looks like your attolay pic the middle one april 17 2013. I have 2 normal and this one looks nothing like either one of them. I guess I am going to have to get to a show and try a side by side comparison because I honestly just cant see it. I do appreciate the pics and help. I am fairly new and just need to learn more.

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Your snake is more golden with more uniform alien heads: see how my black pastel male is overall darker (more darker brown/chocolatey) and how differently shaped his alien heads are and his flaming coming up on the sides? IMO good black pastels will has those "squiggles" in the alien heads: those darker lines/coloration within the alien heads. I can almost guarantee your snake is a normal (I would bet my entire collection on it lol): there is not black pastel or regular pastel there, and he probably looks so different because normals are so variable it's amazing (some are gold, some brown, some with tons of flames, some with leopard like patterns, some super reduced, etc).

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Hey guys....wondering what morph he is, if any?http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../6/8/tobey.jpg

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Pastel.

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Originally Posted by blk02ssmonte

Here is mine. I was told this is a pastel. It looks more like a black pastel to me. can anyone explain the difference?


http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l...psceccaa28.jpg

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Normal.

Here's a fine example of a black pastel from VPI
http://vpi.com/sites/default/files/B...I%29001o_1.jpg

Another from SPK329
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...1/blackpas.jpg

Sorry for jacking Little but I was trying to understand and it fit in with my questions as well. Like I said I am fairly new to all this and trying to as much as possible. Day...Thanks for everything I will try to get a side by side in person visual.

[QUOTE=satomi325;2236570]Pastel.



Normal.

Here's a fine example of a black pastel from VPI
http://vpi.com/sites/default/files/B...I%29001o_1.jpg

Another from SPK329
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...1/blackpas.jpg[/Q

dam im starting to fall in love with blacks ...
is that urs nikki

Here is my black pastel that I hatched out:

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...ps311f5127.jpg

See how she's more BLACK than brown? Black pastels don't tend to have much brown on their base pattern. A normal (like yours) is mostly brown. The actual pattern is different too. A black pastel tends to have key holes where your normal usually has what we call alien heads because they have two holes in each piece of pattern. Another cool difference is that black pastels tend to have some pieces of their pattern that are connected. Look at my girl's tail and on the side of her neck. See how they are connected? Your normal will usually have a clear break between each piece of pattern.

I agree. OPs snake is a pastel (who knows how good or bad quality cuz the lighting in the pic is bad, but more likely on the lower end than the higher end). OP, if you want more detailed feedback than you've already gotten, a better pic will probably be necessary.

blk02ssmonte: you kind of are hijacking. Generally it is better to start your own thread. Some forums prefer if you DON'T start your own thread, but this isn't one of them. :) Your snake looks like a normal. It looks nothing like a black pastel. If you think it does, then you aren't understanding what features make a black pastel, and that's ok, cuz at one time, none of us did! The mor you look at pics of snakes and even more so, the more you look at snakes in person, the better you'll get at it. I suggest that if you still think your snake looks like a black pastel, then start your own thread and you'll get plenty of people who can help you see the difference.

Casey,
My apologies on jacking , wasn't my intentions. I do see color differences. Thanks for the help.

Its not only color, but also pattern.

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Thanks guys.....I got him a few weeks ago and wanted to know because I am tossing around the idea of breeding him as a project.