rat snake? maybe?

hey, i'm somewhat decent at identifying snakes brought in from people, but this one stumped me. So if anyone knows that type of snake this is, that'd be awesome.

http://12.222.40.252/images/noidea.JPG
http://12.222.40.252/images/noidea2.JPG

Thanks.

It looks like a rat to me.......not positive, Im gonig to look into it. I like a good hunt for specie types.

Sure looks like a rat to me.

what type of rat snake, though?

Hmm, The people that brought it in didn't tell you where the exactly got it from?
Did they catch it from outside? Or Buy it?
Nice Aspen by the way.

It's wild caught. They just said southern indiana. And it has my owner stumped because he hasn't seen a pattern like that on a snake from indiana. so he's thinking it was a pet of someones and he just got loose and someone found him.
It's actually pine. :P

Do you have a clearer picture (perhaps with a bit more lighting)?

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Originally Posted by lik3n

It's wild caught. They just said southern indiana. And it has my owner stumped because he hasn't seen a pattern like that on a snake from indiana. so he's thinking it was a pet of someones and he just got loose and someone found him.
It's actually pine. :P

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I know I said I left the forum, and I have ... but I still read it.
Since no one has told him yet and I don't know why no one hasn't ...
PINE BEDDING IS DANGEROUS FOR SNAKES!
Change it!

It's debated as to whether it's okay or not. Many breeders have kept snakes on it for years and say they've had no problems. I personally stay away from all soft woods (cedar, pine, fir) just to be safe myself.

It's a good idea to avoid substrates high in phenol. It's strongly suspected, but not conclusively proven, that high phenol levels (such as you'd get with pine, cedar, redwood) are toxic to herps are they are to small mammals such as rodents. One animal may not appear to be affected at all, another might display neural symptoms. Your snake/s might be fine in a pine box or on cedar shavings, but with all the options available, I'm not personally willing to take the risk.

Well, if nobody here knows, and that guy from Indiana hadn't seen one like it, and I know crap about ratsnakes.... Maybe it's a natural hybrid?

Might try posting the pic on Kingsnakes ratsnake forum and see what they think.

Okay, I've never even attempted to guess a species when people post pics - because I know I'll be wrong. However, one pic I found that resembled yours was a Texas Rat.