Paradox Ivory.. Hold it back?

I produced a paradox ivory late last year. I am debating on holding her back or selling/trading her and holding a regular ivory back. Has anybody here produced a paradox and held it?
Also, I am trying to post the pic but it keeps asking for a link..?.

It is really up to you. Paradox in Ball Pythons does not seem to be genetic, so I would not hold it back in hopes of making another one.

If you choose to sell it, a Paradox can go for more money depending on how extreme it is.

Paradox Ivories are quite common.


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Originally Posted by Royal Hijinx

It is really up to you. Paradox in Ball Pythons does not seem to be genetic, so I would not hold it back in hopes of making another one.

If you choose to sell it, a Paradox can go for more money depending on how extreme it is.

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Yep. I will likely never produce a paradox again. That's why its kinda hard to part with..;)
It guess it does make sense to sell it and just hold a regular ivory back.

It boils down to what you want in your collection. I personally like animals that are a little different, so I would hold back the paradox and sell the other.

I think paradox stuff is neat, but it depends on what you like. Genetic wise though it probably isn't any different. Sand boas are the only snake I know of where paradox is an inheritable trait.

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Originally Posted by elbee

I think paradox stuff is neat, but it depends on what you like. Genetic wise though it probably isn't any different. Sand boas are the only snake I know of where paradox is an inheritable trait.

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generally its a random thing. but now there also is a recessive morph that does it. atomic completely covers the whole BP with lots of paradoxes.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ic-fire-sugar/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...mic-queen-bee/

its still a very rare and very expensive morph, and the basic version doesnt look impressive, you need to add a few morphs, and then you see the different morphs being expressed in different places.

but i agree, if its just an ivory, you can be quite certain that its a random thing and not genetic.

I'd definitely hold back the female paradox Ivory if I were you :)


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I will also hold back the paradox one and sell the other since you can just get few more dollars since it s just an ivory ...

I saw an ad on Craigslist in a city near me. Someone had a 2013 female paradox ivory, so I figured I would see how much they wanted. They wanted $1800. I know the are different, but like Jinx said, it isn't genetic. I could see him asking a few hundred more, but $1800 was a little ridiculous.

Personally, I LOVE paradox stuff, especially paradox ivories :)

I would love to have a paradox ivory. Why wouldnt you want something interesting like that in a collection

Let's see a pic of the ivory in question. I'd need to see a pic to decide if I would keep it or not.

I can't believe this thread has gone on for so long without a pic lol... Let's see this thang lol


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Let me help a brother out. This is the paradox in question straight out of the egg.

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc61a87b2.jpg

😳😍😳😍😳😍 I I I I I I'm speechless... Oh my sexy god, what an awesome looking lil worm! You are one lucky individual!


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Holy moly! Beautiful!

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I wouldn't get rid of that hahahah.
why would you get rid of it and keep the regular ivory?
Has anyone ever bred 2 paradox's together like a paradox ivory and paradox fire to see what would happen?
Yes i read its not genetic but you still might have some pretty cool outcomes.

All in all Id keep it.

Small world! That is the paradox ivory girl I saw listed and inquired about!

given how awesome it looks, i would take the stack of money, and use that to buy something that is genetic :D it should be worth a lot. i would put it up for a really high price, like 700-1000 dollars above the price of a regular ivory, and see what happens. if it doesnt sell, i would keep it.

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Has anyone ever bred 2 paradox's together like a paradox ivory and paradox fire to see what would happen?
Yes i read its not genetic but you still might have some pretty cool outcomes.

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no, absolutely nothing would happen. thats exactly what "not genetic" means. you might have some pretty cool outcomes if it would be genetic.

its just as random (but not as rare) as a two-headed siamese twin BP. and even if it should be a line of YB where a paradox is more likely.... you still have a twin that has the same genes.

I say you sell that paradox. ... To me =) I've been looking for a paradox Ivory for a while! One with the right amount of color in the right places makes for one killer looking ball python. Keep it! But at least post some pics for us to see

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http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc61a87b2.jpg

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Simply put, there is NO way I would sell that Ball Python :colbert: That thing is beautiful!

[IMG]http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...psb672af3f.jpg[/IMG]

Alright.. I hope this picture works. I just did the photobucket thing.

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Let me help a brother out. This is the paradox in question straight out of the egg.

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Thanks Smitty. I was struggling with the linkage.:confusd:

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

generally its a random thing. but now there also is a recessive morph that does it. atomic completely covers the whole BP with lots of paradoxes.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ic-fire-sugar/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...mic-queen-bee/

its still a very rare and very expensive morph, and the basic version doesnt look impressive, you need to add a few morphs, and then you see the different morphs being expressed in different places.

but i agree, if its just an ivory, you can be quite certain that its a random thing and not genetic.

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Yep, just an ivory. The line I got the parents from is pretty paradox heavy but it has not been proven genetic.. And that's not for lack of trying. I definitely wouldn't keep her with the intent of producing another paradox.
Actually, I would think the genetic "slip-up" that causes paradox in ivories is more likely to happen again with the pair that produced the paradox and not the paradox itself.
Thanks for the links!:salute:

If I hatched out that purty gurl, there is now way she would ever leave my possession. Ever. Unless something drastic happened that forced me to get rid of my collection, and then she'd likely be the one favorite I'd keep.

If I didn't hatch her, but managed to obtain her somehow, I would still most likely keep her, but I know it wouldn't quite have the same specialness as a baby I hatched or my first snake.

Ivory and pied are 2 of my favorite morphs, and that beauty pretty much is both at once. Can't beat that!

I believe that that the theory behind paradoxes are chimeras, correct (where two embryos fuse early on in incubation)? If so, I would wonder about the genetics it would pass on. There is no guarantee that the ovaries have the genetics of an ivory or something else. If it's not a chimera, then forget everything I just said. :P

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I believe that that the theory behind paradoxes are chimeras, correct (where two embryos fuse early on in incubation)? If so, I would wonder about the genetics it would pass on. There is no guarantee that the ovaries have the genetics of an ivory or something else. If it's not a chimera, then forget everything I just said. :P

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no, chimeras are much more rare, i guess you get thousands of paradoxes before you get one real chimera. in a paradox, its just one individual with one genome, but in some areas the genes are not being expressed like they should.

We should breed her to my boy. I have an adult female Paradox Ivory, but she only has a few spots. I did not produce the female, but did produce the male, from what was supposed to be a Spectre male. This is my male.

Dave

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps743e8762.jpg
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps72cc74bb.jpg
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...psfed2ce0e.jpg

I have gotten a few people that want to buy him, but I really want to do Paradox X Paradox at least once...

Dave

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

We should breed her to my boy. I have an adult female Paradox Ivory, but she only has a few spots. I did not produce the female, but did produce the male, from what was supposed to be a Spectre male. This is my male.

Dave

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps743e8762.jpg
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps72cc74bb.jpg
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...psfed2ce0e.jpg

I have gotten a few people that want to buy him, but I really want to do Paradox X Paradox at least once...

Dave

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Amazing


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If I were you I'd definitely keep, I'm very jealous! If I breed my ivory boy next year and get an ivory paradox I will cry haha