Breeding guestion??

Someone told me that normals should only be bred with normals because they're not worth breeding them to anything else. I'm too new to ball pythons to even consider trying but I am very curious about whether this is true? Or what should normal balls be bred with?

Well in some cases yes people are practically giving them away, I see the beauty in all balls and many other animals. If just normal but if het fit any gene go ahead.

0.1.0 normal Ball Python

At least a gene you want or know other people want

0.1.0 normal Ball Python

Would I breed a normal male to a normal or morph female? No.

Would I breed a dinker normal male or female who may produce interesting things? Yes.

Would I breed a morph male (single gene to multiple) to a normal female? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Would I breed a normal male to a normal or morph female? No.

Would I breed a dinker normal male or female who may produce interesting things? Yes.

Would I breed a morph male (single gene to multiple) to a normal female? Yes.

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Day on a roll tonight lol XD

0.1.0 normal Ball Python

So you would lets say breed a normal with a albino and hope for albinos?or do the same with a normal and a morph and what would you hope for? I'm going to read up on this but I have a while before I would do anything. My male normal is only 10 months old.

The normal may have some interesting things to it you want in your morphs like very clean patterning, high whites, the albino could be one. In some the het albino or albino is bred to the normal female (just using the albino as a representative you could use most co it dominate genes) you didn't know it but some where zone the lines it may have het for albino and you get albino baby's with high whites and very clean patterning

0.1.0 normal Ball Python

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Originally Posted by GregsMoko

So you would lets say breed a normal with a albino and hope for albinos?or do the same with a normal and a morph and what would you hope for? I'm going to read up on this but I have a while before I would do anything. My male normal is only 10 months old.

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Unless the normal was het albino you would not get visual albinos from a normal to albino breeding since albino is a recessive gene: you would get normal looking balls that are het for albino. When you pair a normal to a codom/dom is when you can get visual morphs and normals. Here's a good site to check out: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/

Genetic wizard to play with: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Personally I wouldn't breed a normal male unless it was dinker quality but if you choose too I would pair your guy to some sort of codom/dom morph female.

Well said daybreaker. :3

0.1.0 normal Ball Python

I have a normal male I plan on breeding sometime after he finishes quarantine. He'll have been with me a year come June, maybe he'll meet the ladies next season.

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Originally Posted by John1982

I have a normal male I plan on breeding sometime after he finishes quarantine. He'll have been with me a year come June, maybe he'll meet the ladies next season.

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This isn't something I would advise to someone who's in it to win it with the big bucks. I just dig his banded pattern and wouldn't mind tying it into a project or two.

What are you breeding him to john?

False.


Normals are stepping stones to great things.
Some normals are ordinary, but some can be extraordinary.
A fantastic example of a normal can enhance the look of a morph.

For example, check this thread out.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-are-soooo-hot!

This is Gale's fire thread. She bred a phenomenal normal to her fire. The fire offspring are A+ quality and far surpass the Fire sire because of the traits they inherited from their normal mum.

I have 2 normal girls I'm going to try next year. They are both extremely dark. I love the darker morphs. I also have a yellow belly boy and pastel something boy. All my snakes are virgin. It all depends on what you want to add with the normal. Clean lines, a darker, or lighter colors, and different patterns. I've been doing my research. On any dominant and codominent breeding to normal will give half and half. Recessive to normal will be hets. They wont look like the visual morph but will carry the genes to make that morph. If you have 2 hets you're breeding babies will have visual. If you're breeding a visual recessive to het will have visual babies.

Most of everything I've heard of is something bred to a normal female bred by something else, how about normal male to something, this is moko,http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/anugydes.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/7avu3ere.jpg he's what I'll be using.

Here's another pic so you can see moko a bit better and I'm open to comments about what would go good with him, also what's the incubation period for the eggs? Thanks for your imput:)http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/3u3u6e6e.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/gy3e3una.jpg

I sell normals for 25.00 each at shows. So if you've got 4 normal females at an average of 6 eggs each thats $600.00 that's worth it to me.

i would not breed a normal male. not to anything. i especially would not breed normal to normal.

normal females are a different story, but normal males are quite useless for breeding. if you want to work with stellar examples of normal BPs in order to improve other morphs using line-breeding, then go for stellar examples of normal females.

its a lot of work. and it can be rewarding to breed a male fire to a really awesome-looking normal female to get some better-looking fires. but given how much work and effort goes into it, i would rather invest more time in researching the market and pay more and buy a really good example of the fire-morph to begin with. or you could also breed a mediocre-looking fire to a really stunning and bright and reduced-pattern top quality pastel, and also get a nicer fire. and pastels and fireflys on top.

but then, different people have different goals. if your goal is to produce the very best calico pastel the world has ever seen using linebreeding, you may need a few carefully selected normals for that. but generally most people want to improve in the number of genes and combos they produce and also in quality, both at the same time in a continuous process.

I'll be breeding my male pinstripe to my normal girl t this season.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/19/hyqe5yse.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/19/anygane7.jpg
I think they will make some beautiful pins and normals together.

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Originally Posted by GregsMoko

What are you breeding him to john?

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Nothing spectacular, probably a pastel and fire female just to see how he effects the offspring.

So why is it only female normals can be bred, but you can't take a normal male and breed it to something different? What's the difference?

In BPs breeders go by the paternal line not maternal. Personally if I had a really nice looking normal male I would breed it. It wouldn't be to a really expensive female. Maybe a single, or double gene girl like a pastel pinstripe girl. Then you can get normal, pastel, pin and lemon blast (hope that's the right one. Haven't had coffee yet.) I'm a person that's more interested in maternal lines.

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Originally Posted by GregsMoko

So why is it only female normals can be bred, but you can't take a normal male and breed it to something different? What's the difference?

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The difference is you're wasting the potential of any female by breeding it to a Normal male.

It is not wise to breed a genetically inferior male to any female. Breeders generally use a 1/2/3 gene female and throw a genetically superior male to them. One double, triple or quad male can service many 1/2/3 gene females.

Spend your money on the best genetic male you can afford that fits into your projects and pair him to 4-5 females.