Crossing pieds with other morphs

Hello this is Shawn here from North Dakota. I'm new to morph ball pythons and have a question.

my question is... How do you produce pied ball pythons that look like other morphs? For example I saw a pastel pied and was wondering if it is simply just a cross between a Pied and pastel or are there multiple crosses needed and if so what are they? The main reason I ask is because I got my first morph a few days ago and would love to see what it would look like with pied trates (white mixed in). It's a pastel calico mojave.

Thanks, Shawn

You'll need to find a Pastel Calico Mojave het pied, and breed it to a Pied or het Pied. Piebald is a recessive gene, so you ned two copies of the same gene, one from each parent, to make it appear in offspring. From there, hopefully one baby will possess all 4 traits, but the odds are fairly slim. I know there are quadruple-gene pieds out there, but they are VERY few and far between.

Ok thank you! I had a feeling there was more to it and sounds like it would be a spendy project.

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Originally Posted by Shawn.beck11

Ok thank you! I had a feeling there was more to it and sounds like it would be a spendy project.

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Very. But all worth it!

Another quick question... Does breeding a recessive animal, (like pied) to say a dominate or co dominate animal make there offspring het for that gene, even though it doesn't show any traits? Maybe 50%

ball pythons can have up to two copies maximum of each gene.

piebald is recessive. with recessives, you actually need two copys to get a visual piebald. if there is only one, its a normal-looking het.

pastel is codom. here, if you have one copy, its called pastel, and if you have two copies, its called super pastel.

so to make a pastel pied from scratch, you breed piebald to pastel, and you get: half of them will be het pieds, and half will be pastel + het pied.

then you breed piebald to pastel het piebald and one quarter will be pastel pieds.

when you breed piebald to piebald, you get only piebalds. so you can breed a pastel pied to a calico pied and you will get normal piebalds, pastel piebalds, calico piebalds, and pastel calico piebalds.

you should play around with genetic calculators, and read up what a punnett square is and how it works. basically you need to learn the differences between dominant, codominant/incomplete dominant, and recessive. and then it all gets very easy.

EDIT: compared to dominant/codominant, you could say that with recessives, it takes one extra generation to combine genes, and your chances are lower. basically you need to first get your dominant/codominant genes combined with visual piebald. and then you can breed visual piebalds with extra genes to each other. so when you get a new and fancy gene, first you need to produce "new gene + het piebald", and then you can produce "new gene + piebald".

Ok that you very much for the info, I saw one video on YouTube that talked about the very basic stuff, I just need to do a little more research like you said.

Pied combos are more or less long terms however they are very rewarding projects once you hatch what you want.

I started out with het pied-à-terre back when Pieds were not affordable at all and now I am fortunate enough to own some great double and triple gene combos and getting close to finally produce my first two double recessive combos.

Again way worth it.


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Here are some Black Pastel Pieds I produced in 2013.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...psc9d37c01.jpg

I originally started with a Pied female and a Black Pastel Het Pied male years ago. Then I first produced male and female Black Pastel Pieds and that male was bred back to Mom to produce the 2013 clutch.

Wow those are very nice! I think pieds are very unique and that's why I like them so much. Like you guys said its worth the wait in the end.

There is more than one way to skin a cat so, here is a genetic calc to help you figure out what you can do to reach the goal you set.

http://www.owalreptiles.com/genetics.php
Depending on what is available where you are A Pastel Calico het Pied might be a all you can find so then hunting up a Mojave het Pied or better yet a Mojave Pied could put you on the track to creating the snakes you want.

Ok thank you that was very helpful, I started collecting green tree pythons to breed but now I want to breed both! The possibilities seen endless with ball pythons. I'm trying to post a pic on here of my snake to show you what im working with, but can't figure it out how. If you wanta see, it's the only snake on my profile and curious to see way you would market it at?

Pieds are my project as well. I fell in love with them way back in the early '90's when the first was imported into the U.S. I started out 5 years ago with a pair of het pieds. Produced my first visual pieds last year, and I am poised to produce my first morph het pieds this year. If all goes in my favor, I will have fire hets, mojave hets, pinstripe hets, and more visual pieds.

Many years from now, I hope to produce double and triple gene visual pieds. One day I may even work up the nerve to try for double gene recessive pieds like the Axanthic Pied or Genetic Stripe Pied. Can you imagine a triple gene recessive like an Axanthic Genetic Stripe pied?

So yes, pieds are a long term project, but they are so worth it.

Gale