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Anyone know currently what the top 3 most expensive ball pythons morphs are and their value? And I kinda mean ones sold for that. Anyone can ask a price but it really means nothing if anyone isn't buying it.

Scaleless everyone wants no 1 can afford .. super bamboo idk know if anyone other then bhb owns it but I know there asking 30k ..

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

Scaleless everyone wants no 1 can afford .. super bamboo idk know if anyone other then bhb owns it but I know there asking 30k ..

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Do you have a pic of one? I tried googling it but it just showed different morphs so I don't know which one it really was. Also do you know why the big price tag?

The super bamboo and scaleless are owned by the same breeder and there that much money cause no 1 else has them ... im sure when the 1st scaleless goes up for sale people won't even know unless they have over a 100k to spend ... pics just go to bhb website the super bamboo was on there and for scaleless just google it there's a bunch of pics on it

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

The super bamboo and scaleless are owned by the same breeder and there that much money cause no 1 else has them ... im sure when the 1st scaleless goes up for sale people won't even know unless they have over a 100k to spend ... pics just go to bhb website the super bamboo was on there and for scaleless just google it there's a bunch of pics on it

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I just googled the scaleless. They look kinda neat. Are they actually scaleless or is it just an appearance?

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Originally Posted by van_garret2000

I just googled the scaleless. They look kinda neat. Are they actually scaleless or is it just an appearance?

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It's an actual scaleless animal. It still has eye caps and heat pits though

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Originally Posted by Nismogizmos

It's an actual scaleless animal. It still has eye caps and heat pits though

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Is it actually true scaless or is it like a lizard where it has one uniform scale?
Or do they not shed their scales like a normal snake?

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Originally Posted by van_garret2000

Is it actually true scaless or is it like a lizard where it has one uniform scale?
Or do they not shed their scales like a normal snake?

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That part I'm not sure about, but it does still she'd so I'm not sure how that works tbh haha

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My guess would be it has a uniform scale then like a lizard would. No reason to shed if it has nothing to shed.

Bhb posted on one of the snakebytestv episodes one of the scaless sheds just looks like skin. Ill try and find the video

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Scaleless and atomic are number one and two. Not really sure about the third. Might be bamboo but there could be something else out their that hasn't been publicly talked about

Scaleless is basically priceless. Brian has the only ones and he isnt selling any yet. He sold scaleless heads (the het form, the homo is full scaleless) to mike wilbanks for an undisclosed amount. Atomic is priced at 50k for a visual and mike is not selling hets at all. He currently is the only one with the project. I would bet some people start buying into that prjoject this year
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Has bhb even sold the scaleless yet? I remember see a pair of het sunset for 50k


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based on some souces, 3 scaleless head / het scaleless have been sold to Mike Wilbanks. price was rumoured to be around 80k per piece. and just days later Brian from BHB said that he recently sold a small group of BPs for 210k. and in a different interview he said that he sold some scaleless heads.

its not that solidly confirmed, but its the only sale we know anything about. you need to breed those together for the fully scaleless super form.

i would think atomic is also very high on the list. i know nothing about a sale, or price.

then there would also be sunset. BHB had it first, i think there have been sales. its a really unusual recessive.

bamboo not so much, quite a few breeders have them now. german breeder Stefan Broghammer has a male bamboo spider for sale for 17000 euros, a number of breeders in the USA have them, and you can still get them from Noah in Ghana. so bamboo clearly has reached the point where availability is going up and prices will start to give in.

i think scaleless, sunset, and atomic would top my list. at least of those that are proven genetic, and where pictures are published.


then there is one unproven thing published on this very forum, not proven out yet, but i guess it can easily make the top 3 when it proves out. Dave Green has the only one. it randomly appeared in a clutch and seems to be doing just fine, here a link:

ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?207966-Mystery-Granite-at-275-grams

if that proves out it will be so awesome.

If I remember from the BHB episode Brian was offered 125k for a singe scaless bp. At the end of the episode the quiz mentions the 125k number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWZcLuFH6rI

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Originally Posted by h20hunter

If I remember from the BHB episode Brian was offered 125k for a singe scaless bp. At the end of the episode the quiz mentions the 125k number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWZcLuFH6rI

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yep, thats true, but he never sold one. two exist so far, he still has both. and there was only that one sale of scaleless heads, and now both Brian and Mike Wilbanks wont sell any. i guess they will coordinate it to a degree and wont undercut each other when it comes to prices. it may very well double as an insurance policy, in case something bad happens at either of their facilities.

anyway, it clearly deserves the number 1 spot as most expensive publicly known morph.

im more interested in other suggestions for number 2 and 3, im sure there is something we missed.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

two exist so far, he still has both.

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Has he managed to hatch one yet with heat pits?

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

based on some souces, 3 scaleless head / het scaleless have been sold to Mike Wilbanks. price was rumoured to be around 80k per piece. and just days later Brian from BHB said that he recently sold a small group of BPs for 210k. and in a different interview he said that he sold some scaleless heads.

its not that solidly confirmed, but its the only sale we know anything about. you need to breed those together for the fully scaleless super form.

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Mike posted a picture of one of his scaleless heads breeding on facebook. So ya id say we can call that sale confirmed.

I hadnt thought of sunset. If the conversation was "what are the three RAREST mutations?" sunset would make the list. But im not sure that project is going to generate anything like the demand of the other two.

The other thing worth mentioning is that their are absolutely no guarantees that the scaleless project will work out. There has on been one clutch produced so far with 2 scaleless animals. They are less then a year old. Scaleless balls have turned up in the past and died young. So personally its not a project I care much about until its had a few years and we can see how the animals develope



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Originally Posted by CryHavoc17

If the conversation was "what are the three RAREST mutations?"

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This is an outstanding point, because the scaleless Ball Python is not a morph...it's a deformity. Of course, unlike kinked Carmel Albinos, this is a deformity that some seem to find cute, but still, it's not a morph.

I have nothing against Brian, but I don't even think he calls it a morph.

Sunset not creating as much of a demand? I think the first red gene mutation in ball pythons will be on most peoples hot list. It's definitely on mine. Oh my thinking of GHI sunsets. Ooh

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Originally Posted by Slim

This is an outstanding point, because the scaleless Ball Python is not a morph...it's a deformity. Of course, unlike kinked Carmel Albinos, this is a deformity that some seem to find cute, but still, it's not a morph.

I have nothing against Brian, but I don't even think he calls it a morph.

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How is it not a morph if the het form shows them on the head and the homo or super form is completely scaleless...and SO far at least with the initial generations of what BHB has done its proven inheritable and genetic...last I checked thats the definition of a mutation/morph?

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Originally Posted by Slim

This is an outstanding point, because the scaleless Ball Python is not a morph...it's a deformity. Of course, unlike kinked Carmel Albinos, this is a deformity that some seem to find cute, but still, it's not a morph.

I have nothing against Brian, but I don't even think he calls it a morph.

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Every single mutation is a deformity. A "morph" is what we all call something that differs from the normal wild type so the scaleless does in fact fall into that definition that we have given to the word.

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Originally Posted by OsirisRa32

How is it not a morph if the het form shows them on the head and the homo or super form is completely scaleless...and SO far at least with the initial generations of what BHB has done its proven inheritable and genetic...last I checked thats the definition of a mutation/morph?

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Originally Posted by T&C Exotics

Every single mutation is a deformity. A "morph" is what we all call something that differs from the normal wild type so the scaleless does in fact fall into that definition that we have given to the word.

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Yes, under the textbook definition of polymorphism, anything that can be passed along to the next generation is a "morph". But you can not deny the fact that in this hobby, we use the term morph to indicate animals who have a different color or pattern than the "normal" or "wild type". Color and pattern changes are usually not dangerous to the animal, and these animals could and do thrive in the wild, with albinism being a possible exception due to increased predation. However, to call color and pattern variations a deformity is a bit of a stretch in the practical sense. Calling an animal who is born with and can pass along detrimental structural mutations is the practical definition of a deformity. If anyone would like to argue that a scaleless BP could or has thrived in the wild, please feel free to do so, but I will always draw a very sharp distinction between structural and non-structural mutations.

Is a red eyed tree frog born with no eyes a morph? By definition, sure...How many of those would you like to breed. How about 3 legged German Shepherds? How many of those "morphs" do you want to order?