Baby snow corn.

Is fixty dollars a resonable price to ask for a baby snow corn. Thats what the petstore is asking. It is so cool looking and very docile. I know the dude that works at the little petsotre and he says that it is ccb snow. Theres another corn thats just normal for forty dollars. Are they reasonably priced? I almost bought the snow corn but I checked my wallet and I only had 30. WHICH SUCKS!! I have more at home but I want to get the cage setup first. Are they reasonably priced?

the breeder im buying my baby from charges 40 regardless of what kind it is so i guess 50 is a good price

ok. thanks for ur help.

no prob :)

It's the usual inflated price you'd find at a petstore. Even the top U.S. corn breeders (Kathy Love and Don Soderberg) only charge $25-35 for a baby snow. I paid $75 for a 2 year old adult - the older they are the more you pay.

If you really want it then I'd say go for it. They are beautiful snakes :)

Would this be your first snake (I don't see any listed in your signature)?

yeah the pet stores are alot more expensive than a breeder would be, when a breeder sells there snakes to a pet store , the pet store adds alot more money to the price the breeder sold it for,over here at the pet store a little hatchling will cost you around 100 bucks

I paid $30 for my snow from a petstore.. Not too bad of a price. I caught them when they were on sale. :)

yeah me too (with my ball) you can never pass up a good sale :)

Yeap. It will me my first snake. I read online that the sell for 25-30 bucks but then you have to pay 40 just for shipping. Im willing to pay the 50 but I just might look in the paper tomorrow. Is a corn a good first snake?

Wait a sec. The dude at the petstore said that the other one is a normal corn. I have been looking at a whole bunch of pics and it looks like a miami phase corn. how much do they run?

yes they are, they are usually very docile and they dont need much of the special care that a bp needs like temp and humidity wise.

How much does a miami phase corn run?

Ah crap! I dont know the diffrence between any of them. lol. It looks like 10 other phases also. lol. forget the question above. I really dont know how to tell the diffrence. I know how to tell white from other colors. I dont understand how someone can just say its a okeetee or a miami phase. They look the same to me!! lol. Ghosts, snows, and albinos look the same. lol.

Besides me going on about that heres a question. What color is a snow when it gets older. Like the color of its eyes and stuff. Do they have unique patterns?

yeah its pretty hard to tell what kind of morph it really is, im gettin a candy corn but it looks like alot of other diffent type of corns

snows usually have red eyes and i guess they all have unique patterns..all snakes do

Corns are a great first snake!

I realize the prices of Kathy Love and Don Soderbergs corns go up with shipping, but I just wanted to give you an example of what a highly regarded breeder of corns charges compared to the stores (besides, they don't get the shipping fees as profit, just the $25-35 price of the snake). The price may increase with shipping, but really depends if you're as concerned with getting a top quality morph from a wellknown quality breeder or not. I got mine from a local breeder that I trust and respect greatly - if I hadn't found him I'd have gone with Kathy or Don. With the three of them I feel confident in paying good money for a quality corn. I'd personally never buy from a petstore only breeders to support them, but I won't pay the inflated prices they have when they can't tell me jack about the individual animals (and their general husbandry bothers me). But that is solely my opinion - I know not everyone agrees with me. :)


I found Kathy and Don's sites very helpful in learning the differences between the morphs. I also recommend "The Corn snake Manual" by kathy love and "A color guide to Corns snakes" by Michael J McEachern. I found them both at my library if you don't want to buy them.

When they are hatchlings it can be difficult to tell the morphs apart - some are born one way and then develop their color as they age. It helps in that case to look at pics of adults.

Where are you looking for pics of morphs? Snows, ghosts and albinos (I'm assuming you mean amelanistics, there's really no albino corn) look totally different. Snows generally have pink blotches, white background (and sometimes yellow) with red/pink eyes. There are snows with green instead of the pink. For the most part their color/pattern stays the same as they age - just might change slightly. Ghosts have pale-pinkish lavendar blotches on a whitish background.

Okeetee and normal look identical with the execption of the Okeetee has a bolder/thicker black border and deep red dorsal blotches. I find normals and okeetees difficult to distinguish. Miamas have a silver-grey background color. Okeetees and Miamis are technically all normals - as they are naturally occuring wild types that really/originally described the locality of the corn.

Snakes have unique patterns-like fingerprints.

now that i see what crap pet stores treat there animals like i will prolly never buy from one again (but prolly from petco for like supplies and stuff) breeders take MUCH better care of thier snakes and know alot more about them and usually know one from the other , if its eating,etc etc

about the colors......before i dont know why i was so concerned with it, a snake is a snake,you know, id rather have a nice healthy ,friendly snake in a boring or ugly color(i dont think there is any :) ) than have the most beautiful morph that has a suckie personality.

I called someone and they said they have an albino for 40 dolars. Its about 6-7 inches long and it eats live pinkie mice. Is this reasonable? I might go up today and check it out. there is also a normal one for 30. are the albinos that orangish color one?

as far as ive seen an albino corn snake looks red and white, kinda like a candy cane corn snake, unless it is a black albino or and anery (tiger explained it to me) those are black and white but as they grow the white gets darker into a greyish type color and the devolp yellow markings,but a plain albino corn snake should be white and red and maybe some orange when it gets older,

i say 40 is a good price,thats what im paying for my baby but i dont know exactly how long it is but its a heck of alot bigger than the others becuase he/she eats like a pig :) :)

40 dollars may be cheap for one person and totally to expensive for another person, i wouldent pay a totally ridiculous price for one, i would just go with your gut and see what you can afford :)

ok. is this a good enclosure for a corn? I think its a 25 or 30 gallon. The demsions turned up to be like 26.8. I dont know if I should round it up or down. lol. heres the pics.

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cypress mulch for substrate. I washed it before i put it in so its kinda sticken to everything. Theres 2 hides. one on cool and one on hot. Theres a human heat pad 1/3 of the enclosure. Its on the left. Water bowl is in the back left hand corner. 2 climbing limbs and a fake plant. What do you think? Will it do? Oh yeah, the temps/ humidity are wrong because I just set it up.

looks good ! :)

It looks good. You said you washed the mulch? I would definitely either bake or boil it to make sure you got rid of any potential little critters that could be in there.

Looks good. Just make sure the lid is strong - very strong.

They likely mean an amelanistic corn if they are saying albino - so check out pics of an amelanistic to get an idea.

I'm looking into getting a corn too. :) Actually I've been thinking about it for a long time, but as there is a big herp show coming up next month, I might just purchase one there if I find one I like. I bought the corn snake manual and have been reading through that, and Kathy Love is supposed to be at the reptile show, so maybe she'll have something for me!

Well crap!! I had to re-arange some stuff because my temps were off. The humidity is about 74%. I can change it by taking the plastic off the top. I only covered up half the top in plastic for humidity. They hot side is 77 and the cool side is 76. I had a 1 inch gap between the heat pad and the tank. The heat pad is ony high also. I tried to take out some bedding but it didnt work. I heard that you should have a 12/12 light cycle. Would it be ok to use a white light to heat up the hot side during the day? Should the temps stay the same 24/7 or should it be a little bit cooler during the night?

is the heat pad on the same side as the light ?

77 is a litle cool for a "hot" side i think as far as having a light i used to use one but after i got my digital thermometer i was basicly raosting my snake with both the heat pad and the light so now i just use a human heat pad that covers half (or a little less) of the tank and it stays pretty warm, when i used both the light and the pad i turned the light off at night and it dropped a little bit but not to to bad so you can buy a red light for keeping the cage warm at night,

Im not using a light. I said that ill try one. The heatpad isnt doing to well. Ill keep it on untill i see changes. Ill go try a light. Do i have to use a infrared bulb at night?

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I'm looking into getting a corn too. :) Actually I've been thinking about it for a long time, but as there is a big herp show coming up next month, I might just purchase one there if I find one I like. I bought the corn snake manual and have been reading through that, and Kathy Love is supposed to be at the reptile show, so maybe she'll have something for me!

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That would be awesome if you could get one of her corns. Are you interested in any particular color/pattern/morph? I'd love one of her Okeetee corns.

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Im not using a light. I said that ill try one. The heatpad isnt doing to well. Ill keep it on untill i see changes. Ill go try a light. Do i have to use a infrared bulb at night?

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A light is not required. They do not need a light cycle. Whatever light comes into your room from outside is fine. Just think, when snakes are kept in racks they get little light. If you do use a light at night, it should be an infrared heat light as the red color will not disturb the snake, will make for easy viewing and will give off some heat. Are you using reptile or human heating pad?

I keep my corn at 72-73 cool and 85 warm side.

I'd remove all the plastic. They don't need high humidity. Most actually don't even measure it with corns. Why do you have a gap between the heat pad and the tank? I'd get the pad as close to the tank as possible - you want a gap between the pad and the stand that the cage is on so that there is airflow beneath the pad.

i got about a 1 inch gap between the HUMAN HEATPAD and the stand. Ill use a reg white bulb until winter. I just re-done my cage and theres a bunch of hinds in it now. I dont think a little bit of light will hurt. How much are those infrared bulbs?

Just be sure the light isn't on 24/7 if it's white light. It's been awhile since I've bought one of the infrared bulbs, so I don't really recall. Maybe $7-$9 dollars depending on brand and wattage. If you want to stick with that heating pad I'd add the infrared heat bulb over it. That should help (not sure what wattage to start with). :)

Heres something I thought of. What if I were to put the Human Heatpad inside of a trashbag and tape it off so no water can get into the bag. then I would put it in the cage undernieth the mulch. It should be ok because no water can get to it right?

yeah but if the snake burrows he/she may get burnt

maybe switch to repti carpet,astro turf, or newspaper, i used to use eco earth but now that i switched to newspaper it lets ALOT more heat through.I think next time im at petco i will pick up some reptile carpet just becuase it looks a little better than newspaper

Lol from that heat pad? It wont get hot enough to burn anything. Trust me, Ive tried to see how hot it gets. It has a low,med, and high and If I do put it inside the cage it will be on low or med. How hot does something have to be in order to burn a snake?

i think it would be ok on low but i would still be careful, i would rather be safe than sorry

Yeah. heres what ill do. Ill go get the probe thing on my thermometer and put it inside the heat pad to see how hot it gets on diffrent settings. Thats the best way to see how hot it gets.

generally speaking it is never a good idea to put a heating pad inside the tank. you really just don't want to chance it. the snake won't realize that it is getting burned until it is too late, and that is not something that you want to experience.

Well after 30 mintues, the heatpad has a steady temp of 90 degrees. Take off a few degress because its going to be barried. Is this an ok temp?

Forget putting it inside. Heres what im going to do. I just read a caresheet saying that sometimes a younger snake can eat aspen, cypress, etc. which then isnt to good. So im going to use newspaper. That way the heat probably can do better getting threw the substrate. When he/she gets older ill use cypress and invest in a infrared bulb. Ill just go ahead and use newspaper. Ill tape down the edges so that way the snake cant go under it and get burnt from the glass. I hope this solution will work! Wish me luck, here I go...

that sounds like a much better idea. :wink: you might need to raise the tank up off of the heating pad an inch or two if it is too hot. that will also help allow for air exchange. i just use a few pieces of wood to do the trick.

Do not put the pad in the tank - if it shorts out and the temp skyrockets you've got one burned snake. They will not realize they've been burned until it's too late. Besides, you also don't want the risk of your snake getting into the trashbag somehow and suffocating. Don't ever put tape inside the tank - too many people (and if you search through old messages on this forum you'll see) have done so and ended up having to remove it from their snakes - sometimes with some scales. Just weight the newspaper down with the hides and deco. As I said earlier, make sure there's no gap between the pad and the bottom of the tank and perhaps if you decrease the gap between the pad and the stand that may help up the temp a bit. You may be able to fix it all w/o getting the infrared - but I think they're cool for nighttime viewing. Let us know how it goes!

Well I wont put it inside the tank. The pad is made for weat heat. I use to have to use it for my joints (long story). Its one of those $50 special heatpads. I got it from my doctor so I can get another. How do you keep them from getting underneith the newspaper if you dont use tape. I can see why you should but I was just curious.

HAHAHA!!! I think that I might of found my problem. I have an air duct about 2 feet from the "hot" side of the tank. Thats why my hot side temp was cooler than my cold. So, I switched sides with the pad. Dont worry, it wont make the cool side to cold. Well, I switched stuff around and lessend the gap between the pad and tank. Lets see what happends now...

Im about ready to give up... ITS STILL THE SAME!! Maybe im just doing it wrong. The ground is warm on the hot side. I have the big portion of the thermometer about 2 inches from the ground. the probe is also about 2 inches from the ground. Should they be on the ground? Like I said, The ground is warm to the touch but the "air" isnt. What do I do now? The hot side says, 78.8. The cool side says, 76.7. Is this ok since the hot side is warm on the ground? Im about ready to give up. I need help. lol



Mike

definitely put the thermometer and the probe on the ground. that should make a big difference in your readings. since that is where the snake will actually be, that is where you want to get the reading from.

Ok. Does the probe and termometer itself have to be in a certain spot. Can I put the probe in the hot spot, or does the thermometer have to be in the hot spot?

Holy guakamolly!! Your a genious. It works. ITS ALIVE... ITS ALIVE!! Finally!! Your a lifesavor!! Should the part of the thermometer that detects humidity be in the hot or cool side of the tank?

this is how i do it: i put the unit itself on the cool side, sitting on the floor of the tank. i put the probe under the hide on the hot side, right on the ground, so i know exactly what the temp is where my snake will be spending a lot of time.

ok thanks. I was checking out the hot temp when I figured it out and it was 140 degrees!!. Ouch. Now its at 90-95. Is that ok? My cool side is only at like 73-75. Maybe a little higher. Are these temps ok or should I try to change some of them around?

you can go higher with the cool side--around 80 is good, but a little less is ok especially at night. 90 is good for the hot side, but you don't want it to get higher than 94-95 or it will be too hot.