Making a new morph for the community

1st hello to everyone.

My goal isn't to make a new morph to make alot of $$$$. I want to give something permanent to the ball python community, something that everyone can enjoy. I have a recipe to follow to make what i think could be a new morph that hasn't been created yet. My issue is i dont have a big enough pan to fry all of them together at once, lol jk teehee. ok Really my issue is I want to talk to someone about my plans but i dont want any one to steal my idea. If i did the math rite I have a 1 in 64 chance of getting the morph i want but it wont happen for another year probably I just got the males on a deal I couldnt pass up. i know I shouldve got the females 1st but I got 3 males 1 - fire 1- OG and 1 het Clown all for $40 all born in november. I know alot of breeders already have the stacked gene BPs to breed to make the morph i think is going to be new. Is there anywhere or way i can register the morph im trying to make so that no1 makes it be4 I do or even find out if it has already been created. The Genetic wizard does not do more the 1 gene at a time unless I havent found it yet. My 1st step is to breed a bumble bee to a firefly. What would be the best combo out of that morph other then the bel.

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The Genetic wizard does not do more the 1 gene at a time unless I havent found it yet.

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Yes it does you just need to know how to use it.

Select the genes for the male (if multiple gene hold CTRL and select the genes in question), select the genes for the female (if multiple gene hold CTRL and select the genes in question

For the rest good luck with everything

BTW making a new combo that was never made before does not make you lot's of $$$$ and can take a looooong time if even achieved

Hello and welcome to BP.net!

If your future morph isn't here, it's probably not been made yet:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

You can't trademark a morph, and we don't register like the AKC. Basically, the first one to post a pic, youtube video, or display it at a reptile show wins...

If you want, you can PM me with your idea. I'm not a breeder, and have no interest in stealing your deal. However, I gotta' tell you that the genes you have listed so far have already been worked into a metric butt ton of different combos.

Deborah- Thank you very much. So how do people like NERD and BHB come up with $50000 snakes. Like the 1st coral glow what was that worth and why so much.

Slim- I know the morphs have already been worked with i said that but thats only 1 part of it. i have 2 more stacks that will end up in 1 hopefully.

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Originally Posted by Snatantula

Deborah- Thank you very much. So how do people like NERD and BHB come up with $50000 snakes. Like the 1st coral glow what was that worth and why so much.

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Those were not new combos those were new mutations imported and proven genetics hence the price tag early on.

Unless you are creating a new combo with a fairly new gene that is still untapped (Sunset, Scaleless) you will not make tons of $$$$$ ;)

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Originally Posted by Snatantula

Deborah- Thank you very much. So how do people like NERD and BHB come up with $50000 snakes. Like the 1st coral glow what was that worth and why so much.

Slim- I know the morphs have already been worked with i said that but thats only 1 part of it. i have 2 more stacks that will end up in 1 hopefully.

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NERD and BHB have been in the game for a looooong time and have paid their dues...unless you have a boat load of cash to spend, or hit it big with a "normal" that proves to be something special, it's probably gonna take you a loooooooong time and you'll have to pay your dues as well. If you think it's gonna be easy, you're sadly mistaken. Most likely you'll be selling out in a couple of years, dissapointed, out of money and fed up...happens all the time...

Deborah- wow that helped so much and yes it tells me that 3 morphs that have not been cerated yet have a 1/32 chance of coming out of my final clutch. Anybody have a time machine I cant wait.

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Deborah- wow that helped so much and yes it tells me that 3 morphs that have not been cerated yet have a 1/32 chance of coming out of my final clutch. Anybody have a time machine I cant wait.

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Keep in mind...whatever combination you're considering right now...there's probably a hundred experienced breeders working on the same combination...right now. Save up for that time machine.

NOT IN IT FOR THE MONEY that was the 1st thing i said. Ive been breeding other animals like king snakes, My Olde English Bulldogge, Tarantulas, rats,cockroaches. This is just my 1st year for BPs not breeding in general. I have lots of patience and also enjoy the journey from baby to adult.
The scaleless BP that Brian produced from just the scales mising from the head of 2 other BPs. WOW he was offered $125,000 or $250,000 for that.

Im gonna drive 88 MPH everywhere I go.

Wow, I think you might be getting carried away on the genetics thing. I know of people breeding mojave to lesser for 3 years and not getting a BEL, and that's a 1 in 4! Did you say you haven't even bought the females? Do you intend to buy breeder sized females? The take 2-3 years to sexually mature.

Yes im going to have to now that i already have the males. but for what i paid for them I could sale them and easily get my money back then buy the females and rebuy the males when they get up to size. How long are the males good too breed once they get up to breeding weight. If I get the females now will the males still be good to breed in 2-3 when the females are ready. I dont keep any of my pets like breeders they are all in vivariums so I wouldnt have a problem raising the males as just pets with the females untill every1 is ready.

and if it takes 5 years to hit it but im still the 1st 1 to hit my goal will be acomplished. I want to make my mark and give a new morph to the Ball Python community not make money.

Understand that you are competing with people who have tons of animals, 3, 4 , 5 genes combos and that are very much ahead of you. Producing something new is not as easy as it seems, yes breeding calculator are great but you could be YEARS away from your goal (animals not wanting to breed, slugs, DOA etc things happen)

Being excited is great but set small goals, one step at the time and if you happen to produce a first then great, but if you get too excited and think it's just that easy you will be very disappointed if things don't go your way.

That comes from someone that sets small goals, and take one step at the time.

First get a female ready to breed and produce your first clutch and see are you like it. Then produce what you like but don't put the carriage before the horses :gj:

The odds...they are not with you...

My advise: find a combo you like, and work on producing that...you'll be much happier in the end...

I already have done that I have a pair of normal BPs het for ghost that will be ready this year. My goal on them ist just produce a healthy clutch and hatch them properly.

These are the combos I like.
How many genes can be stacked on 1 BP and how many has some1 stacked to this day. Im guessing NERD has that record.

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I already have done that I have a pair of normal BPs het for ghost that will be ready this year. My goal on them ist just produce a healthy clutch and hatch them properly.

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And there's your first mistake...working with hets. You will not be first, plain and simple...sorry...:)

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Originally Posted by Snatantula

These are the combos I like.
How many genes can be stacked on 1 BP and how many has some1 stacked to this day. Im guessing NERD has that record.

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Too many to be able to tell...people are beginning to guess at this point...5,6,7,8, etc and things start to get muddy and it begins to be impossible to pick out what genes are present...

And there's your first mistake...working with hets. You will not be first, plain and simple...sorry...

LOL not my final clutch after shes proven ill be saleing her.

How long can Males breed for can they breed their entire life. Female rats are only good for 2 seasons.

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How long can Males breed for can they breed their entire life. Female rats are only good for 2 seasons.

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I'm not sure how long, but definitely more than a couple years...If I had to hazard a guess I'd say 20 years or so? :confusd:

ok so me keeping the males i have now that were hatched in NOV and also getting females that hatched in 2013 and not do anything with the males till the females are ready wont cause any problems in the sexual maturity of the males?

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ok so me keeping the males i have now that were hatched in NOV and also getting females that hatched in 2013 and not do anything with the males till the females are ready wont cause any problems in the sexual maturity of the males?

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Not at all. :)

Thats awesome I really didnt wanna get rid of my little fire I already named him Squire hes so cute.

was going to post a pic but hes only a fire.

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Originally Posted by Snatantula

[IMG]C:\Users\Snatantula\Downloads[/IMG]

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See this thread: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...pload+pictures

lmao I tried to cover that up.

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lmao I tried to cover that up.

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No worries...happens all the time...hence that thread. :)

ok so im sticking with my original plan. The females are ordered from Bailey & Bailey and all the BPs no matter what morph will be the same age when they breed.
Any objections?

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes it does you just need to know how to use it.

Select the genes for the male (if multiple gene hold CTRL and select the genes in question), select the genes for the female (if multiple gene hold CTRL and select the genes in question

For the rest good luck with everything

BTW making a new combo that was never made before does not make you lot's of $$$$ and can take a looooong time if even achieved

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Just use OWAL's, besides looking better and, being user friendly I've been finding more and more issues with the WoBP's genetic calc.
http://www.owalreptiles.com/genetics.php
It is also available in the Play store for droid and on iOS.

Raven you rock thank you cause wobp kept saying error. OWAL works way better you should make a thread to tell every1 but what does OWAL mean?

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Originally Posted by Snatantula

ok so im sticking with my original plan. The females are ordered from Bailey & Bailey and all the BPs no matter what morph will be the same age when they breed.
Any objections?

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They are your snakes, what is to object to? It may make more sense to spend a little more on higher quality females at the front end but, hey it is also your money. And, in the grow out period they are still pretty cool little pets when you are a backroom/basement breeder.
You have been offered some great advice from people that have been at this awhile though. One thing I would like to add is and, I cannot stress this enough. Hold out for quality and, follow your passion with these animals. Strive to produce the best looking animals of the types that appeal to you.

ohya I love forums, especially 1s that famous herpetologist use like David Attenburough. I spent months on Arachnoboards when i 1st started with the tarantulas. I greatly appreciate all the advice from every1. 1 question tho. is a basement breeder to the BP community the same thing as a backyard mechanic in the auto idustry

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ohya I love forums, especially 1s that famous herpetologist use like David Attenburough. I spent months on Arachnoboards when i 1st started with the tarantulas. I greatly appreciate all the advice from every1. 1 question tho. is a basement breeder to the BP community the same thing as a backyard mechanic in the auto idustry

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Pretty much the same thing...:)

dangit

Deborah
It would be a blessing if you did that pay it forward thing and sent me 1 of youre het Clowns:please::D:salute:

Not really looking to be a full time breeder. I do want to produce quality not quantity. If I could produce just a few really good quality lines of like 1- 5 different morphs Ill be happy. I also just wanted 1 tarantula now I have 13 and 8 snakes, 1 Russian tortoise, 4 rats and about a thousand dubias.

In my opinion it would be a firebee

I will get some of those on my journey but thats not my final goal. thats

So I just read through this plan and a lot of people have already said most of what I wanted to say. However, I do have one question for you: You said that you have a 1/64 shot of getting a certain combo that you're aiming for. How long do you expect it to take to get that 1/64 chance when you're starting out with only single genes and hets. I may be going out on a limb here, but if you thought that multiple males could sire one egg, then we need to have a discussion about genetics and reproduction. If you do understand that only ONE male can fertilize an egg, then you've got 10+ years, I bet, before you're able to produce the combos you'll need in order to produce your 1/64 combo. I can guarantee it won't be the first by then.

Maybe if your goal is to make a first, look into genes that aren't seen everywhere and in everything. I don't see a lot of orange dream stuff or vanilla and etc.. But maybe I'm not looking enough, but if that were my goal then that's the route I'd choose :)

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but what does OWAL mean

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Ohhwataloser :)

I don't see anything wrong shooting for firsts. I believe I will be the first to hit a few combos, hopefully in less than 5 years. What everyone is getting at is, you can't be ignorant of the years involved and the risk of failures. If you understand that, then welcome to the fun. You can cut down on the time involved by buying snakes that are farther along genetically or have rarer genes which fewer people work with, but generally both will cost more than the average hobbyist is willing to pay.

Something else to think about, let's say there are 100 base morphs, that leaves 10,000ish double combos to be made or 1,000,000ish triple combos. I'm sure you can find something to make. Just there are many other people potentially doing the same thing.

BHeptiles yes i understand genetics and i am looking for females for my 1 male rite now and 1/32 chance is what owal says and im not buying the 2 or 3 gene morphs to start cause im want to create all the morphs im going to use my self. Thats part of the reason we ar all in this aint it. Maybe my final morph will change but along the way i will creat some really prety ones especially with all the fantastic help from that 1 place bp.net.

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Ohno my OG isnt part of the Fire plan but yes i am putting together a different project with the OG its already been created and if i produce 1 im gonna keep it for myself. Buttery Nipple

Well that Didnt take long just found someone working on almost the same thing i had planed but thats not stopping me just yet.
http://www.wtfmorphsofmanchester.com...s-brewing/cry9