Normal vs cinnamon ball python

Okay, forgive me, but I have been looking at pictures and I cannot for the life of me tell the difference between a normal and a cinnamon. How are there appearances different?

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Originally Posted by LadyByrd

Okay, forgive me, but I have been looking at pictures and I cannot for the life of me tell the difference between a normal and a cinnamon. How are there appearances different?

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Can you tell which is which between these?

both pics were taken outside in natural light with no flash...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/sho220/gyp3.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psf0069ae6.jpg

Honestly, not really. I mean, the first one is lighter than the second one, but other than that, they look the same to me. I have two normals and one looks like the first picture and the other looks like the second, but I have been told both are normals, so....

I'm no expert but from what I can tell, the black of a normal is more brown in a cinny, and the alien heads are browner too. Also the alien heads have a distinct look, like with only one spot, or a heart like shape, or the heart is sometimes broken into a frog head shape with a mouth (that's the best I can describe it).

Here is my Pewter (cinny/pastel) when I got her, you can see the difference in the alien heads:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f8...ps7ef9faab.jpg

As you can see in those pictures, a Cinnamon has different colors, but what always stands out to me on Cinnamons are the alien heads. On the normal, there are 2 eyes in most alien heads, while on the Cinnamon, there is usually 1 large eye in each alien head, similar to a Mojave. Often with Cinnamons, the alien heads get "smeared" together, especially towards the tail.

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Originally Posted by LadyByrd

Honestly, not really. I mean, the first one is lighter than the second one, but other than that, they look the same to me. I have two normals and one looks like the first picture and the other looks like the second, but I have been told both are normals, so....

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They look the same? :confusd: hmmm...

Can you post pictures of your two normals? I'm better at visuals than trying to describe things, or I would have explained instead of posting pics. :)

Okay, I see that! I was just noticing how much darker my female normal is than my male normal. I didn't know if it's b/c he's a baby, just b/c normals have so many different variations in "darkness" or if I was simply missing something. Thank you everyone! Of course, you are simply helping my fascination and addiction grow, but that's okay too! :):D

Well, there is a great deal of difference in normals, and yes some do look a little like a cinnamon. And some very poor examples of cinnamon can look a lot like a normal.

The best way I can describe the difference is a good quality cinnamon lives up to it's name. They are a rich cinnamon brown/red color, and you almost never see a normal that is the same color. The markings on cinnamons are usually very different to a normal. They are a different color and shape and once you see good examples of them, it's impossible to mistake them for a normal.

Normally I'd reference the Hunter's Guide to Morphs, but it's been down for a while. The best I can do is pictures of my own cinnamon and a few normals and try to point out what I mean.

This is my cinnamon female:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...akes/Kuri3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...nakes/Kuri.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps1dc128ab.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psf9f1d5fc.jpg

Can you see how reddish brown she is? And how her markings are different?

These are a few of my normals:
This female has a lot of blushing, but her color is wrong to be a cinnamon.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/IMG_0021.jpg

This is a really light female, she doesn't have much blushing and her patterning is busy, but she still doesn't look like a cinnamon.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/IMG_0022.jpg

This girl has some of the reddish coloring, but her pattern is wrong to be a cinnamon.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/Athena-1.jpg

Maybe it helps you a little.

Gale

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Originally Posted by sho220

They look the same? :confusd: hmmm...

Can you post pictures of your two normals? I'm better at visuals than trying to describe things, or I would have explained instead of posting pics. :)

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http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...3&userid=49349 This is Phred (70g, not sure boy or girl yet). Picture is in natural lighting, but a bit blurry b/c he like to run around.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...3&userid=49349 This is Tilly (360g female). She is a bit more of the type that like to hang out, so its easier to get a picture of her.

Phred! 70g. I am curious about him because he does have some of those "heart shaped" alien heads, but not all over, but he is definitely kind of red. Don't get me wrong, I honestly believe he is a gorgeous normal (and I adore normals) but he is just a bit different. This picture is in natural lighting.


[IMG]http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...a/IMG_0152.jpg[/IMG]

Matilda, 360g! This is my beautiful baby girl! Obviously a normal, but goodness I think she is so beautiful.

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...a/IMG_0146.jpg







Okay, i hope you can see their pictures this time!

Phred would be more of what some might call a "high gold" normal

Matilda would be a light normal

Normals come in many different shades.

Once you get an "eye" for balls, you will start to notice all of the slight variances.

Yep when I started looking at ball pythons I thought cinnamons, leopards, mojaves, and spotnoses all looked like normals. It's why I picked a pinstripe. Now I can't see how I couldn't see the differences. You just keep looking. I can't wait until my "eye" gets more advanced and I can pick out what's in a multigene ball python easier. Or how some people are so good at picking out those super subtle possible indicators of a new morph.