Help A Fellow Hobbyist/Breeder

Hey everyone I just thought I would post this up for extra eyes. I'm looking for that PERFECT, 10/10, brightest yellow and least amount of browning pastel. I am looking for that "FLAWLESS" example of the morph and I can't seem to find that "one". I'm looking for a female and I'm willing to pay extra for the quality, since you usually get what you pay for. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks everyone, you have made us really feel like a real part of the BP.net family.

~CRR

Idk if he still has her available, but John Hannum has a very nice 900 gram pastel female, he is john1982 on the forum. One of the best looking pastels I've ever seen.

I haven't seen any for sale recently, but I can keep my eyes open!

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Originally Posted by missriss2012

I haven't seen any for sale recently, but I can keep my eyes open!

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Wait for one her ^^^ babies!

Don't worry, I send a PM ;) didn't want to violate any forum rules and get an infraction!


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Rabernet (Robin Abernethy???) produces some insane Pastels...

one side-note, something to consider: when i look at pictures, one thing i see a lot is people playing around with color settings and color saturation.

and even when that isnt the case, lighting and what camera you use makes a HUGE difference. sometimes the same raw file, viewed and edited and converted with different software, can lead to wildly different results.

for example, i just came across this, same snake, same age, different camera, different lighting:

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http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...sgod/007-1.jpg



http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...eisgod/005.jpg

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source: user "Murse" in the thread http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...bananas!/page2


one picture says more than 1000 words.... well, i guess one picture can also deceive more than 1000 words. im not blaming anyone or accusing anyone of doing anything deliberately, its just, when someone skilled in photography with good equipment really tries to bring out the colors, the results can be really stunning.

when you shop for a pastel, where its all about the colors, this may complicate things.

Thanks for the help so far everyone! You all rock!

~CRR

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

one side-note, something to consider: when i look at pictures, one thing i see a lot is people playing around with color settings and color saturation.

and even when that isnt the case, lighting and what camera you use makes a HUGE difference. sometimes the same raw file, viewed and edited and converted with different software, can lead to wildly different results.

for example, i just came across this, same snake, same age, different camera, different lighting:



source: user "Murse" in the thread http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...bananas!/page2


one picture says more than 1000 words.... well, i guess one picture can also deceive more than 1000 words. im not blaming anyone or accusing anyone of doing anything deliberately, its just, when someone skilled in photography with good equipment really tries to bring out the colors, the results can be really stunning.

when you shop for a pastel, where its all about the colors, this may complicate things.

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I completely agree, there are people who go around an mess with their photos to make them look better than they really are. I make it a point to make sure that all photos I post are in their original form. The only editing I do is to crop and add my logo to the photos.

There are far too many people in this hobby that misrepresent their animals.

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Originally Posted by missriss2012

I completely agree, there are people who go around an mess with their photos to make them look better than they really are. I make it a point to make sure that all photos I post are in their original form. The only editing I do is to crop and add my logo to the photos.

There are far too many people in this hobby that misrepresent their animals.

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This ^^. I don't edit or alter a thing. My photos are posted as shot. With the exception of adding my watermark. I don't like It when people mess with their photos/colors. I don't need a photo program to post my pictures.

I agree that editing photographs can lead to deception. But one thing to consider is that the type of light can change colors significantly. If taken outside, even the amount of cloud cover can influence the colors in the picture. I don't have any problem with an individual being honest about using something like a WhiBal card to help them create a layer that corrects for light conditions. I want my photographs to capture the colors my eyes see, and if the picture is taken under incandescent lights, it tends to have a yellow/orange cast, under fluorescent lights, a greenish cast, and so forth. Again, it comes down to the honesty of the individual since the type of light used, the placement of light source (distance and angle), along with the white balance setting on the camera can all change how the colors are represented.

Thats y I take my pics with my cell so they dont even come out good ... so when u say one of my snakes is sexy .. just think how it looks in real life :cool:

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Originally Posted by CedarRiverReptiles

Hey everyone I just thought I would post this up for extra eyes. I'm looking for that PERFECT, 10/10, brightest yellow and least amount of browning pastel. I am looking for that "FLAWLESS" example of the morph and I can't seem to find that "one". I'm looking for a female and I'm willing to pay extra for the quality, since you usually get what you pay for. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks everyone, you have made us really feel like a real part of the BP.net family.

~CRR

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Hey I thought I would post up too. The same above rules apply but to a Enchi female also. I find it very hard to find a perfect example but I want that 10/10. Thanks again everyone.

~CRR

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Originally Posted by CedarRiverReptiles

Hey I thought I would post up too. The same above rules apply but to a Enchi female also. I find it very hard to find a perfect example but I want that 10/10. Thanks again everyone.

~CRR

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Bump anyone know of any "perfect" female Enchis?

~CRR

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Originally Posted by Slowcountry Balls

I agree that editing photographs can lead to deception. But one thing to consider is that the type of light can change colors significantly. If taken outside, even the amount of cloud cover can influence the colors in the picture. I don't have any problem with an individual being honest about using something like a WhiBal card to help them create a layer that corrects for light conditions. I want my photographs to capture the colors my eyes see, and if the picture is taken under incandescent lights, it tends to have a yellow/orange cast, under fluorescent lights, a greenish cast, and so forth. Again, it comes down to the honesty of the individual since the type of light used, the placement of light source (distance and angle), along with the white balance setting on the camera can all change how the colors are represented.

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This is why I think it's important to tell people under what conditions your pictures are taken, especially if the animals are listed for sale.

I would also like to know when animals I'm buying are possible hets as this can alter the look of the carrier and will have a bearing on my plans for breeding. Sometimes surprises are nice, sometimes we want to know with what we're tinkering.

If you are looking for pastel, give Albey Scholl of Albey's Too Cool Reptiles a look.

He also has a couple very nice pastel enchi females, I believe. ;)

Kevin at NERD has also produced some very nice examples of both morphs, both individually and combined.

Just thought I would post 2 pictures of my 2,400 gram female Pastel to show what I was describing about using a WhiBal card to correct color to what the eye really sees. This photograph was originally taken in my house at night. I had 3 lights on the light box, 1 on each side and 1 on top. The bulbs I used were 120 Watt equivalent Soft White (2700K) Compact Florescent Lights. As you can see in the original picture, there is a real strong yellow/orange cast because of the temperature of the lights. But the WhiBal card has white, back and neutral (grey) on it. This allows me to use Adobe Photoshop Elements 8 to correct the colors to something much closer to what the eye really sees in just a few minutes time. I feel that the corrected photograph is more accurate than the original. Just wanted to share this so that people can think about how photographs can be honestly corrected. I have left the WhiBal card in both versions of the picture so you can do your own investigation. I think that every one who wants to accurately photograph their snakes (or other subjects) should strongly consider getting a WhiBal card (they only cost about $20 for the one I bought, and it is about the size of a credit card). Again, the first one is the original picture and the second has a layer applied to it to correct the white balance of the picture.

Original
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._3_reduced.jpg
Color Corrected
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...stel_3_cor.jpg

As soon as I can, I plan on doing a whole thread on the effect that the color temperature of the light has on the pictures and other such factors, but bear with me, I'm really just beginning to get into photography and still have a lot to learn myself.

the thing about the color correction is really interesting.


a while back i had a really weird issue, i made a thread about it:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-in-jpg-images

i found two versions of the same image, and on my computer the two images looked different. however, for other forum users, they looked identical. but then i made a screenshot of the phenomenon, and on the screenshot others could see that they looked different, at least on my computer. i still dont completely understand what happened there.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

the thing about the color correction is really interesting.


a while back i had a really weird issue, i made a thread about it:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-in-jpg-images

i found two versions of the same image, and on my computer the two images looked different. however, for other forum users, they looked identical. but then i made a screenshot of the phenomenon, and on the screenshot others could see that they looked different, at least on my computer. i still dont completely understand what happened there.

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I am not sure what exactly is happening to the pictures in the thread you reference, since they appear identical on my screen. However, something to keep in mind is that the photograph needs to be white balanced properly, your monitor/screen needs to be calibrated properly, and the way the file is stored on the website can also affect the color we see (if the picture is to be printed, then the printer must also be calibrated). That is why graphic artists use Pantone colors. They are colors that have a specific values and the artist can know that a color will print properly as long as the printer is calibrated, even if the color does not display correctly on their monitor/screen. Colors can really be affected by the calibration. That's why in the thread that I will be posting later about color temperature of the lights and other photography techniques, I will include a WhiBal card since it is calibrated and consistent card to card and some common every day items that people should have in their house so that they can compare the colors in person. As far as your point in your thread about the compression changing the color, it didn't for most people, so I doubt that the compression caused the difference. I think some other factors to explore would be what browser (both company and version) people were using that saw the difference, what manufacture screen, video card, and firmware versions people who saw the difference were using, and so forth. All of those seem more logical factors to consider to me. But we are starting to hijack this thread. I just wanted to show my Pastel and how photographs may be corrected to show what the eye sees. That is why I suggest that people use something like a WhiBal card so that others can check the balance if they suspect something. As I look to post more pictures of my snakes, I will post cropped pictures, but always keep the original that has the WhiBal card in case there is a dispute about the accuracy of the colors in my photographs (something neat about using a WhiBal card is that you could take your first picture of the WhiBal card and then as long as the light conditions don't change, one reason to use a light tent/light box, you can use that first shot to correct all subsequent shots, take a look at the WhiBal website videos http://michaeltapesdesign.com/whibal.html).

I have some pics of the most perfect pastels.... i'll have to recover my old ipad data, which will lose my current photos :please:... i may do it though.. ill let you know :gj:..