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  • 02-16-2014, 06:19 PM
    Macinster
    Discolored Patches on Snakes
    I am posting this for a friend... They have a few boas that randomly started having discoloration on parts of their body. I have never seen this before. We were thinking it might be some sort of deficiency? Any help would be great!

    http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/...pspuaalhb4.jpg http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/...psptkodmir.jpg
  • 02-16-2014, 06:29 PM
    George1994
    Burn maybe? But the fact it is on more than one snake is weird...
  • 02-16-2014, 06:34 PM
    DooLittle
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    That is strange. I've never seen anything like that. Boas do go through dark and light phases. But it's not patchy like that. It's their whole body. The second one almost looks like the dark area may be stuck shed??
  • 02-16-2014, 06:43 PM
    Macinster
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DooLittle View Post
    That is strange. I've never seen anything like that. Boas do go through dark and light phases. But it's not patchy like that. It's their whole body. The second one almost looks like the dark area may be stuck shed??

    There is no stuck shed on the snake(s). The scales still feel nice and smooth as well. I believe this came up sometime after their last sheds.
  • 02-16-2014, 07:30 PM
    Bluebonnet Herp
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Macinster View Post
    There is no stuck shed on the snake(s).

    I wouldn't be so quick to rule that out. One of my BPs looks similar due to what I'm assuming is a bad shed. It doesn't have any sort of noticeable texture change, it just looks different.
    But that's still only my theory. This is still very odd.
  • 02-16-2014, 07:49 PM
    Evenstar
    Holy crow.

    I've never seen that before. Especially the way it shaded out on the Dum. If it was the Colombian boa alone, I'd almost say, hey, you might have a paradox gene firing up there. But not on two like that and the Dum wouldn't look that way as a paradox anyhow.

    I'm wondering if there's any way they could have come in contact with some sort of chemical. What type of substrate do you use? What do you use to clean their enclosures? Have you treated either of them for mites recently, or ever?

    Just re-read and saw you're posting for a friend. These are still questions you can ask him though. As far as a deficiency, I don't know what that would be. If they are eating whole rodents, quail, or rabbits as their diet, whether f/t or live, they are getting all the nutrition they should ever need. And boas shouldn't need artificial UVB light like lizards do.

    I'm puzzled. :confuzd:
  • 02-17-2014, 10:50 PM
    Evenstar
    Ok, I found this which might help you. This was posted by a known friend on facebook and posted here with permission. I quoted the entire write up, but highlighted the important notation.

    Do you know if YOUR friend feeds rodents from Rodent Pro???

    Quote:

    If you are still ordering rodents from Rodent Pro, please read this.

    A friend of mine lost one of their prized boas to a toxic feeder recently. The animal was fed a rodent, it then regurged the rodent, the regurged rodent smelled a million times awful than any regurge he ever experienced and a day later he found his boa had passed away.

    This very scenario, item for item, word for word, has occurred hundreds of times in collections throughout the U.S.

    Many of them go unreported, but for those that are reported there are many that have a singular thing in common: they got their feeders from Rodent Pro.

    There are many theories on just what is lingering in these rodents that cause the death in healthy boas, but the major issues are feeders high in fat content and feeders that were not being fed proper diets or were not frozen properly after being euthanized. Since Rodent Pro very commonly practices in out sourcing their rodents without informing people of where they actually come from, poorly raised rodents are the most simple of explanations.

    Some boas have brushes with these toxic feeders and only end up losing a few layers of colors with an awful shed following very rank feces or even a regurge, but other boas are not that lucky and die soon after being exposed.

    There are still people who have ordered from RP that had never had an issue that say there is no way to prove the feeders are the issue and that the animal just, for whatever reason, had some sort of septicemia in its system and died from it.

    But when time and time again animals are dying from a singular source, one has to consider the source itself.

    I used to order from Rodent Pro. Many times I got rodents that reeked of urine, were dirty and had missing body parts. One batch I thawed out was completely disgusting and useless and I had to throw all of it out with little cooperation from RP.

    After getting tired of the shoddy packaging and roulette wheel of what quality I was going to be getting order to order as well as random fowl smelling waste coming from my boas, I looked for another option. When I encountered another operation that vacuumed sealed their animals and raised them properly, I was shocked at the difference in quality and I made the decision to never return to Rodent Pro.

    Not long after that I discovered the stories of those that lost their animals to RP feeders. Some lost entire sections of their collections, others only a singular animal. Every one of them described the same problems preceding death.

    The reason many people go with RP is they are really cheap compared to others, but given their habit of out sourcing, their poor handling of an outbreak of a zoonotic disease and people who have these stories of animals dying shortly after being fed from RP feeders, I am strongly suggesting my friends or anyone else using RP seriously consider a new feeding source for their boas.

    Are the discounted prices really worth the risk or the chance?

    This is not just about one man losing one boa. The stories are out there guys. The links are there as well. Yes, boas die from toxic feeders from other sources, but the amount of people who have had them die specifically from RP stock should be enough to make you question things.

    I, personally, will not feed my animals rodents I cannot verify the origins of.

    Some reading for you to consider.

    http://deviantconstrictors.com/blog/...your-boas.html
    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=334751
    http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...gitis-Outbreak.
  • 02-17-2014, 10:57 PM
    DooLittle
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    Ok, I found this which might help you. This was posted by a known friend on facebook and posted here with permission. I quoted the entire write up, but highlighted the important notation.

    Do you know if YOUR friend feeds rodents from Rodent Pro???

    Wow. That is creepy. Soooo glad I raise my own feeders. Thanks for the info Kali.
  • 03-15-2014, 05:06 AM
    hypnotixdmp
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    I'm glad I raise my own and if I order I get them from a breeder and not someone who outsources lol.

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  • 03-15-2014, 07:55 AM
    Mr Oni
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    .....dafeq......i have 46 frozen rats in the freezer from these dudes.
  • 03-15-2014, 09:23 AM
    AlexisFitzy
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr Oni View Post
    .....dafeq......i have 46 frozen rats in the freezer from these dudes.

    I have a couple left in the freezer as well I ordered some on Black Friday when they had the $20 shipping, since rodent pro is actually pretty expensive to me since their shipping makes up for the price of the cheap feeders. Im so glad I read this those rats are getting thrown out today!! My snakes have been avoiding these rats like the plague but I thought they were just fasting as they usually do but I think those rats are playing a factor as well. Thanks so much for posting!! I had no idea!! Try to avoid the $5 each rats at aquatic critter and start getting possibly toxic rats! Omg! Such a nightmare! To Big Cheese Rodents I shall go! Thanks so much for posting this again omg...


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  • 03-15-2014, 12:35 PM
    bcr229
    Before you go bashing (or not) RP, the OP hasn't returned to state the source of the feeders for the affected snakes, or if their skin condition ever cleared up, got worse, etc.
  • 03-15-2014, 12:59 PM
    Chavo
    Wow!!!
  • 03-15-2014, 03:16 PM
    Evenstar
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bcr229 View Post
    Before you go bashing (or not) RP, the OP hasn't returned to state the source of the feeders for the affected snakes, or if their skin condition ever cleared up, got worse, etc.

    While I do agree that we should know what the source of feeders was for these particular snakes, that article I posted was not associated with those snakes in any way and the information was there before these particular snakes came to light. There are documented negative affects of RP rats including, but not limited to, discoloration and loss of pigment. Not bashing RP at all, but these are things any responsible snake owner should be aware of. :gj:
  • 03-15-2014, 10:12 PM
    bcr229
    Re: Discolored Patches on Snakes
    Oh I know! It just looked like people were jumping to the conclusion that RP's feeders were the cause of the problem, and we don't know that. I've also never ordered from RP and likely never will, so I have no reason to either criticize or defend them; I have local sources of bulk/frozen feeders so thankfully no need to pay high shipping fees!

    I do wish the OP would give us an update on the snakes though in case someone else has the same problem in the future.
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