Gravel?

So does anyone know of a breeder that sells them? I feel like this is a morph that is kept under lockdown for use in highway combos. I found an ad for a highway male for 15k and an ad for a 1.1 gravel pair with deleted photos for 2,900 for the pair from 2012. I would love to get a gravel male someday. You'd think they'd be a little more common since it's codom.

And what is meant by "het highway"? Gravel and YB are both codom so I'm confused.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=gravel

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

So does anyone know of a breeder that sells them? I feel like this is a morph that is kept under lockdown for use in highway combos. I found an ad for a highway male for 15k and an ad for a 1.1 gravel pair with deleted photos for 2,900 for the pair from 2012. I would love to get a gravel male someday. You'd think they'd be a little more common since it's codom.

And what is meant by "het highway"? Gravel and YB are both codom so I'm confused.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=gravel

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There aren't many Gravels for sale because the first few people making them couldn't tell them apart 100% from the YBs...Plus things like that usually get sold before they hit the net.

Should start seeing more Gravels this year! I hope to have some available!

Another case of misused terminology!

I am skeptical of powerhouse though. Have not seen a highway from there's yet, but could have missed the post somewhere. Cannot wait to see more of them available, and the combos of them are fantastic. You may want to contact Shane of Shane's Serpents he has his own line of gravels that are pretty sweet.

its rare and expensive and its purpose is very clear, its to make highways.

i guess the people that first get them just pair them to ivory, and ivory combos, making sure that every hatchling that gets the gravel gene will be a highway. and then you can continue with pairings of highway to ivory.


about "het highway", well, even if the genes are codominant, a certain trait or phenotype can still be recessive. blue eye leucistic, black eye leucistic and ivory are all recessive traits, while the genes that produce them are codominant.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

about "het highway", well, even if the genes are codominant, a certain trait or phenotype can still be recessive. blue eye leucistic, black eye leucistic and ivory are all recessive traits, while the genes that produce them are codominant.

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The homozygous forms of incomplete dominant(not co-dominant) genes are not recessive. The whole of a homozygous incomplete dominant gene(super pastel) is the result of two parts of the distinctly different heterozygous incomplete dominant gene(pastel).

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

The homozygous forms of incomplete dominant(not co-dominant) genes are not recessive. The whole of a homozygous incomplete dominant gene(super pastel) is the result of two parts of the distinctly different heterozygous incomplete dominant gene(pastel).

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the genes are not recessive, but the TRAIT is. for example, with the blue eye lucy genes, the trait "all-white patternless snake with blue eyes" can be considered recessive, because both parents need to contribute something, and two genes need to come together on the same locus. this is also consistent with how its passed on. the visual characteristics of a single gene lesser are codominant, you breed a snake that looks like a lesser to a normal, and half of the offspring look like lessers. but the visual characteristic of a BEL is passed on like a recessive. breed a super lesser BEL to a normal, and you dont get any blue eye lucys. you just get lessers. and when you breed those together, you have a 25% chance to hit your blue eye lucy. just like breeding het to het when working with a recessive gene.

so, calling a gravel "het highway" or calling a fire "het black eyed leucistic" is a bit uncommon, but not incorrect.


and, are highways still that expensive? 15000 for a male? thats really a lot.

my problem with that terminology is...
If you breed two "het Highways" together you don't get any Highways! How does that work? lol


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I had the same issue when people started calling Spasrks het Puma. With the Blue Eyed Luecistic and Black Eyed Luecistic, the terminology could work (except for Phantoms and Mystics, since they have more pattern than is generally accepted for luecistics). The terminology works since Mojave, Lesser/Butter, Mocha, and others all make a Blue Eyed Luecistic when bred to themselves or one another. But if Gravels are het Highway, and Sparks are het Pumas, what does that make a Yellowbelly? Is it also a het Puma? Or also a het Gravel? I think the het terminology is confusing when used with complex animals that are different. People don't use het Mystic Potion, they go with Mojave and Mystic. I've noticed that people have almost stopped using the term het Puma and have stopped using the term het Super Stripe for the Specter gene. I expect that people will stop using the term het Highway in the future, especially with how awesome the Super Gravel looks.

The het highway, het superstripe, ect. all got named that first before their modern name came around.

As for the terminology, well it doesn't even come close to making sense imo, like even more than usual. when you say het "X" you are referring to an organism being heterozygous at a locus with mutant gene X and its wild type allele both being present. It takes two different alleles of the same gene to be called heterozygous, its not just the mutant gene. Highway is heterozygous at the locus we are referring to, two different mutant alleles. So if anything, the actual highway is the only true het highway. At least in that sense you can breed a het highway to a het highway and get highways :)

But I think calling them gravels and just moving on is much easier.

yes maybe you are right and it doesnt make much sense because its a combo of two different genes. so, basically, calling a gravel a "het super gravel" would be plausible, but het highway is a bit weird.


anyway, about the prices..... 15000 for a highway, and 2900 for a pair of gravels.... it seems a bit odd, you could buy the pair of gravels and buy a male ivory and two or 3 female ivorys, breed gravel to ivory, and produce lots of clutches, and 50% of the hatchlings will be highways. does anyone know more about the prices?

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yes maybe you are right and it doesnt make much sense because its a combo of two different genes. so, basically, calling a gravel a "het super gravel" would be plausible, but het highway is a bit weird.


anyway, about the prices..... 15000 for a highway, and 2900 for a pair of gravels.... it seems a bit odd, you could buy the pair of gravels and buy a male ivory and two or 3 female ivorys, breed gravel to ivory, and produce lots of clutches, and 50% of the hatchlings will be highways. does anyone know more about the prices?

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No one is selling Gravels for $2,900.00 for a pair. If you saw them listed for that price anywhere it is a scam. A guaranteed male Gravel would almost be worth more than a Highway because at least when you bred him to Normals you would know that the ones that looked like YB's would be Gravels. With a Highway to Normal breeding most people would have no idea which ones were Gravels and which ones were YB's. This will of course change as the people already working with the gene find the clues that tell them apart, and I know some breeders are already figuring it out.

I have gotten a lot of emails on this add. The pics of the snakes that are supposed to be Gravels/ Het Highways dont look like any of the Gravels I have produced. I feel sorry for anyone who has bought these animals thinking they are Gravels. I have pics of my proven Gravel and will send them to anyone interested in the project. I have a couple adult males I'm hoping to prove out this season. I am also breeding for Super Gravels (figers crossed on that one). To my knowledge the place selling the so called Gravels has yet to produce a Highway and I also knew the guy that sold them the original animals, he did not produce a Highway either. He had contacted me when I hatched out my first Highways , he sent me some pics of the animals and I told him then they didn't look like my female. He later contacted me and told me he had sold them.

Like Albey explained Gravels will be more money then a Highway.

Shane

oh, thats interesting. so there was something very fishy about the pair for 2900.

i expect super gravel to have the highest value, by far, followed by highway and gravel. it doesnt really matter if you breed highway to ivory, or gravel to ivory, both will produce the same amount of highways, 50%. i guess for getting a clean super form, without yellowbelly, and to produce certain combos, gravel will be more useful, and for making more highways highway would be more useful, but over all i would expect similar prices.


anyway, its an incredible gene, i love the optics it can produce.

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The het highway, het superstripe, ect. all got named that first before their modern name came around.

As for the terminology, well it doesn't even come close to making sense imo, like even more than usual. when you say het "X" you are referring to an organism being heterozygous at a locus with mutant gene X and its wild type allele both being present. It takes two different alleles of the same gene to be called heterozygous, its not just the mutant gene. Highway is heterozygous at the locus we are referring to, two different mutant alleles. So if anything, the actual highway is the only true het highway. At least in that sense you can breed a het highway to a het highway and get highways :)

But I think calling them gravels and just moving on is much easier.

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You can NOT breed het Highway(Gravel) to het Highway(Gravel) and get a Highway. :rolleye2:

Gravel x Gravel gives you a Super Gravel
Gravel x Yellow Belly gives you a Highway.

Super Gravels and Highways look completely different. :gj:

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

You can NOT breed het Highway(Gravel) to het Highway(Gravel) and get a Highway. :rolleye2:

Gravel x Gravel gives you a Super Gravel
Gravel x Yellow Belly gives you a Highway.

Super Gravels and Highways look completely different. :gj:

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If you read OhhWatALoser's quote a little more carefully, you'll notice that he was saying that a Highway is the only real het Highway, since if you breed a Highway to a Highway you'll get more Highways (along with Ivories and Super Gravels). OhhWatALoser then continues on to say it will just be easier to call the Gravel a Gravel and a Highway a Highway and not use the term het Highway, like what has been done with the Spark and Specter genes.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

You can NOT breed het Highway(Gravel) to het Highway(Gravel) and get a Highway. :rolleye2:

Gravel x Gravel gives you a Super Gravel
Gravel x Yellow Belly gives you a Highway.

Super Gravels and Highways look completely different. :gj:

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What would u get

Highway X YB?


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What would u get

Highway X YB?


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You would get Gravels, Yellowbellies, Ivories, and Highways.

I'll take an Asphalt over a Gravel any day of the week.