Do These Have Chocolate in Them?

A good friend bred these from a male that he thought was a Super Pastel Chocolate Pinstripe. Some people thought that the male didn't have the Chocolate gene in it. I am not that familiar with the Chocolate gene, so I thought I would post pictures of these 2 animals to see what others thought. The first snake is either just a Pastel or maybe a Chocolate Pastel (I am leaning towards simply a Pastel). The second snake is either just a Pastel Mojave or maybe a Pastel Mojave Chocolate (again I am leaning towards simply a Pastel Mojave). Thanks for your input.

Pastel or Pastel Chocolate????
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Yes I know she has some scarring on her back, I got her for free because of that, since he thought he would have trouble selling her, so no complaints.

Pastel Mojave or Pastel Mojave Chocolate???
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Got this one for a really good deal, so the Chocolate would be a nice bonus, but I don't think he's got it.

I don't see chocolate in either.

Well the pastel I am almost 100% certain is just a pastel.

But the pastave is .... I don't know how to say it.....odd, I guess.

I don't see chocolate, I don't think. But it's an odd looking pastave all the same. At least, to me it is. I almost wouldn't ind having that one myself to toy around with.

Gale

I don't see Chocolate. I will try to post a picture of my Chocolate Mojave later today.

Here is a picture of a Chocolate Mojave I produced last year.

[IMG]http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1f4b3f86.jpg[/IMG]

Thanks for posting the picture. I had seen that the Chocolate gene darkens the Mojave, but the pictures of the Chocolate Pastave on World of Ball Pythons (www.worldofballpythons/morps/chocolate-pastave/) are a lot lighter (the influence of the Pastel gene). Still, I think that my animal is too light to have the Chocolate gene, but wanted to ask others who might have more experience.

I don't have any experience with pastave so not sure how much pastel might narrow the dark pattern or contribute to the blushing. The blushing in yours could be due to chocolate but it also has more narrow dark than the WOBP one at http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...olate-pastave/ It's really hard to say for sure it isn't chocolate. The first one seems less likely due to how narrow the black is.

I was trying to find a picture of one I hatched that I thought was chocolate pastel:

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...43479551_n.jpg

Not a lot wider dark areas but some and just seems overall darker.

And here is a chocolate Mojave:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...99863665_n.jpg

Sorry not the best shot and both are very young.

I found a better pic of my chocolate Mojave:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...14028988_n.jpg

With my Garcia line I look for the white pixilation in the center of the dark areas near the belly. Your pastave might have some of that, but again I don't know what just pastel and Mojave do together.

Just thought I would add an updated photograph of the two snakes in question.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...hocolate_3.jpg

Im not a pro, but that Pastave definitely has something else going on besides just being a regular Pastave. I'll post a photo of mine for reference but my educated guess would lead me to believe that there's a big possibility of your Pastave has Chocolate in it.

Here's my Pastave:http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/04/padabagy.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/04/eba8e8u4.jpg


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Well, the 2012 male Pastel Mojave possible Chocolate ended up being a female and producing a clutch when paired with our 2012 male Pastel Calico. Don't know if this clutch helps or not. Also threw in a picture of the 2012 female Pastel Mojave possible Chocolate (on the left) next to a 2013 female Pastel Mojave (on the right). She looks different, but lighter, not darker as I would expect if she had the Chocolate gene.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-27_1.jpg

Here is the whole clutch, top left is the male Mojave Calico, top right is female Pastel Mojave 1, bottom two are the male Pastel Mojave and the female Pastel Mojave 2.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-07_4.jpg

First up is the 2015 Clutch 12 male Pastel Mojave. He doesn't have as bright of yellows as his sister (2015 Clutch 12 female Pastel Mojave 1) and has more blushing, but is that just the difference in Pastel genes? Or is there more to it?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_4.jpg

Here is 2015 Clutch 12 female Pastel Mojave 1. She has brighter yellows and less blushings than the other two Pastel Mojaves in her clutch, could be just different Pastel genes.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_2.jpg

Here is 2015 Clutch 12 female Pastel Mojave 2. She isn't as yellow as her sister, but has more blushing. Is that just a different Pastel gene, or is it more than that?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_2.jpg

And finally, the really cool 2015 Clutch 12 male Mojave Calico. There is only one Mojave Calico on World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/calico-mojave/), so his variation from the one there may just be the natural variation of the combination, or is it more than that?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_5.jpg

Thanks for checking out this post and any help you can give.