Whats the most common and most affordable double recessive? And are both the same?

I was tempted to hijack a different thread for this, i have been wondering about this for a while now.

Some double recessives are amazingly expensive, while others are surprisingly affordable.

My question is which double recessive project would be the most affordable to buy into. And the second question is, could it be that some double recessive projects are quite common and many people work with them, but they are still very expensive simply because they look amazing? And that the most affordable double recessives may be some really unusual stuff that did not turn out to be that visually appealing?

Or is the market for different individual double recessive project too small so that the prices are quite unpredictable and all over the place?

I believe the most common double recessive is Albino Pied (especially if you count the normal Albino Pied combination and the Dreamcicle, Lavender Albino and Pied). The 2 cheapest double recessive projects that I have seen are Caramel Glow (Caramel Albino and Hypomelanistic) and True Ghost (Hypomelanistic and Axanthic). I have also seen that Snow (Albino and Axanthic) have not cost too much. I think that Albino Pied and Hypomelanistic Pied are the two more common double recessive projects that I have seen on the more expensive side. I think that is because of what you said, that while some big breeders are working with these 2 projects, they are visually stunning.

I think albino pieds are the most common. Both because they look great and because both genes are at a price point that a lot of people are working with them.

I think snows are the most reasonably prices. They do not visually appeal to as many people.

Most common I would agree the albino pied, most affordable I have seen is a snow

Ive seen a few double recssives wit OG x more common recessives for pretty cheap

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I can't imagine anything would be cheaper than a Genetic Stripe Orange Hypo/Hypo, but there certainly aren't many of them lol

I saw snows advertised at $600 at tinley in October. Is there anything else cheaper?

I think the other thing that plays a role is the value of the genes involved. For example, het Clowns and visual Clowns are pricier than het Ghosts and Ghosts. So I'd expect a double recessive involving the Clown gene to be pricier.

I would say axanthics, orange ghosts, and albinos are probably some of the least priced recessives around. Pick your mix and match.

thanks for all the responses :)

so from what i learned, its the value and quality of the genes involved, and its also really important how good the double recessive combination looks like.

Most common to me would be albino pied .. cheapest would be g stripe ghost probably

I would love for someone to point me to all these cheap hypo g stripes. I would love to have one. I have three different visual doubles and several more in the making. I'm pretty sure snow is the cheapest by a bunch. Caramel stuff is probably the second cheapest and that's because the problems with that gene.

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Originally Posted by zues

I would love for someone to point me to all these cheap hypo g stripes. I would love to have one. I have three different visual doubles and several more in the making. I'm pretty sure snow is the cheapest by a bunch. Caramel stuff is probably the second cheapest and that's because the problems with that gene.

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That's probably because there is very little demand for them. But with such a rare combo, with the right buyer you may be able to swing a surprising price, but honestly, you can get a Hypo Male and a G Stripe Male for under 200 bucks each. This is a combo of two very low end morphs.

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Originally Posted by STjepkes

That's probably because there is very little demand for them. But with such a rare combo, with the right buyer you may be able to swing a surprising price, but honestly, you can get a Hypo Male and a G Stripe Male for under 200 bucks each. This is a combo of two very low end morphs.

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not a very good analogy since You can't breed 2 males together!


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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

not a very good analogy since You can't breed 2 males together!


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If you say so. I'm just pointing out how cheap both of these morphs are. That's what this thread is about, cheapest double recessive. And those are the two cheapest recessives. Why wouldn't something that is going to produce more relatively cheap stuff also be relative cheaper?

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Originally Posted by STjepkes

If you say so. I'm just pointing out how cheap both of these morphs are. That's what this thread is about, cheapest double recessive. And those are the two cheapest recessives. Why wouldn't something that is going to produce more relatively cheap stuff also be relative cheaper?

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last dbl het gstripe hypo I saw was still 600 dollar for a female, given that was about a year ago but, you can an actual visual snow for that now. Demand is very low for the snow, since it is seen as a dead end project to most. But add enchi or something to it... might have a shot at something other than an all white snake.

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That's probably because there is very little demand for them. But with such a rare combo, with the right buyer you may be able to swing a surprising price, but honestly, you can get a Hypo Male and a G Stripe Male for under 200 bucks each. This is a combo of two very low end morphs.

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With double recessives it's not as simple as adding the values of the two genes together. You are completely ignoring the years of time and luck involved in making the double visual. The value in the double recessive animal is hard work it takes to make it. Let's take albino and genetic stripe for example. You could shop around and probably get the pair for 500-600. You buy an albino and g stripe and raise them up for 2-3 years. Then you breed your albino to your g stripe and hope you get a good sex ratio to raise up. Then your raise the females up for 2-3 years to get them to breeding size. At this point you pair your double hets and hope that they both are willing to breed. If you get eggs the first year breeding you are probably getting 5-7 eggs. So now you have 5-7 eggs in your incubator hoping for a baby that you have a 1 in 16 chance of hitting. So statically it could take you three or more clutches to hit it and your female may or may not breed three years in a row. Sure there are quicker way to get here by buying adults or buying double hets up front but those are far more expensive. I think the last time I saw an albino g stripe for sale it was 4000 bucks.
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I am breeding these two together next year and going to start all over again shooting for the triple recessive. It's a sickness.

Zues...... very well stated. Most people dont think about the time and hairloss involved

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Originally Posted by zues

With double recessives it's not as simple as adding the values of the two genes together. You are completely ignoring the years of time and luck involved in making the double visual. The value in the double recessive animal is hard work it takes to make it. Let's take albino and genetic stripe for example. You could shop around and probably get the pair for 500-600. You buy an albino and g stripe and raise them up for 2-3 years. Then you breed your albino to your g stripe and hope you get a good sex ratio to raise up. Then your raise the females up for 2-3 years to get them to breeding size. At this point you pair your double hets and hope that they both are willing to breed. If you get eggs the first year breeding you are probably getting 5-7 eggs. So now you have 5-7 eggs in your incubator hoping for a baby that you have a 1 in 16 chance of hitting. So statically it could take you three or more clutches to hit it and your female may or may not breed three years in a row. Sure there are quicker way to get here by buying adults or buying double hets up front but those are far more expensive. I think the last time I saw an albino g stripe for sale it was 4000 bucks.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps42ab620a.jpg
I am breeding these two together next year and going to start all over again shooting for the triple recessive. It's a sickness.

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I got lucky with my double recessive project. I purchased a hatchling female Pied possible het Hypo and an adult male Pastel Hypo possible het Pied back in 2010. I had 1.0 Pastel het Hypo het Pied, 0.1 Hypo het Pied, 0.1 Pastel Hypo het Pied hatch out in 2012, proving my female to be a Pied het Hypo. And last year I had 0.1 het Hypo het Pied, 0.1 Pastel het Hypo het Pied, 0.1 Hypo het Pied and 1.0 Pastel Hypo het Pied hatch this year. So I don't think my male Pastel Hypo possible het Pied is het for Pied. Even with a female that is homozygus for one recessive morph and het for the other, I am looking at investing about 5 years into this project before I expect to see a double visual. That is a lot of time and effort. I believe that is why all the Hypo Pieds I see for sale are over $4,500. People really tend to forget how long it can take, and I got lucky that I started with a great female.

Albinos are cheap because they were the first morph ever.

Caramels and deserts (I know it's dominant) are going to plummet since there are problems with both genes.

The pied project is in high demand now, so many are working on it. But the price is also going down rapidly as the market is getting flooded and it becomes more common. But they are still pretty pricey.

Clowns and hypos aren't that expensive, though. Hypos aren't that visually impressive so their prices tend to be low.

However, I think the quality of the animal you produce and your pricing depends on how you match up and think of the genetics of your animals. If you pay attention to the normals you plug into your projects, and so on down the line and find similar animals with similar patterns you want to target, then you are more likely to get a visually stunning animal down the line. (Instead of going for just the closest morph--and I've seen people do that too... but results are more consistent if you go with similar animals).

Also, be careful with recessive. =P Scammers exist. (Yeah, I know this sounds like a soap box and a no duh, but I've seen people try to scam on the internet.) Be sure to get it through a well-known breeder or at least demand paperwork. Someone offered a trade of his het clown for a pastel I had and asked for paperwork and he refused. No sale.

Had 11 clutches of DH OG/Pied and Pastel DH OG/Pied in the 2013 season and produced 5 visuals. They are hard to produce from DH's. It's not as easy as 1 thinks. There were a couple years in a row I had 16 eggs from DH OG/GS and no double visuals. Just because you have 16 eggs doesn't mean you are going to produce any.

I remember years ago I bred DH Albino/Granite Burmese pythons together. Had about 45 eggs and no Albino Granites. So, you think missing on 16 eggs is hard try missing on the 1 out of 16 from 45 eggs. It happens!

The 1.0 SPOG Pied & 2.2 Orange Ghost Pieds I kept from 2013. Had a few offers on the males and females but I'm keeping them for future breeding.

SPOG Pied

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SPOG Pied & Orange Ghost Pied (different clutch)

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Corey

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There were a couple years in a row I had 16 eggs from DH OG/GS and no double visuals. Just because you have 16 eggs doesn't mean you are going to produce any.

I remember years ago I bred DH Albino/Granite Burmese pythons together. Had about 45 eggs and no Albino Granites. So, you think missing on 16 eggs is hard try missing on the 1 out of 16 from 45 eggs. It happens!

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Don't say things like that, I got a POG het clown breeding some DH hypo clowns sometime in the near future lol. Awesome you hit the double recessive eventually, even a super pastel version, great looking snake

For the last 2 seasons, I've been breeding a Pastel Hypo possible het Pied to a Pied het Hypo, hoping to prove the male to be het Pied, but out of 7 eggs, no luck so far. If he doesn't prove this season, his son (a Pastel Hypo het Pied) will take over. With next season's snakes being visual and het for each other, I'm really hoping for a Pastel Hypo Pied (the odds shouuld be 1/8) but will be pleased with a Hypo Pied (1/4 odds), especially if it's a male. I also have a 2012 Pastel Hypo het Pied girl & a 2012 Hypo het Pied girl that should be up to weight next season. Trying to decide how best to use them. Hoping to produce some gems like Corey.