New addition. Input needed.

Ok so I decided to get another snake. I am looking at a female. Either a butter or a lesser. We currently have 1.0 fire from constrictors unlimited. What would you recommend?


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Butters and lessers are the same thing.

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Originally Posted by 200xth

Butters and lessers are the same thing.

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No kidding?!? Then why in the heck do they have them under different categories?

What would you spend on a female?


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hatchling $125-$150


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Dependson the quality. Anywhere from 125-250. For my money I would pay a little extra and get a pastel lesser/butter. Makes the prospects even better

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Butters and lessers are the same thing.

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I have to disagree. Butters and lessers are very similar color but come from a different co-dominant gene.

With that said, since you already have a Fire, I'd go for a Butter to produce Nuclears (Butter Fire).

Spend some time on the genetic wizard and figure out what you like and what your next breeding plans are going to be.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/:ad:

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Thank you. I think the butter has more yellow to them. Also how hard it it to find an adult? I don't seem to see any online. Mike does have this female for $300. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/25/u5u2ujy3.jpg


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I brought my butter from the same spot the yellow will wash out if u want I can show u a pic of what he looks like now he is about 7months old

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Thank you. I think the butter has more yellow to them. Also how hard it it to find an adult? I don't seem to see any online. Mike does have this female for $300. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/25/u5u2ujy3.jpg


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That's pretty high...Just sold a 700 gram Butter for $300 shipped...

Yea mikes prices are kinda high but he does have quality animals ... my butter turned out nice.. but now that ive been on this site much longer and met all these wonderful people that breed I will be making my future purchases thru here

@ coldblooded nice site ... sick animals .. really like that leopard spider ... if I needed another male id be working something out with ...

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I brought my butter from the same spot the yellow will wash out if u want I can show u a pic of what he looks like now he is about 7months old

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Please post a picture


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That's pretty high...Just sold a 700 gram Butter for $300 shipped...

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I totally would have bought that. Let me know if u have any others.


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My suggestion would be to see what combos you like best, and then buy a female that will help you breed towards that goal. If you like something with the pastel or lesser or butter gene pick it up. If you like something more along the lines of the calico, sugar, enchi lines get one of those.

I got my black back lesser female for $260.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l1...ps2f167543.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l1...psd52c0bc7.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l1...ps95e67a92.jpg

Butters are pretty too. But a quality lesser also has a lot of yellow.

These are camera phone pics from my old iphone. She is larger and even brighter now. She gets more yellow and her blushing gets more intense the older she gets. I need some updated pics.

Ultimately, it just depends on what combos you want to make.

butter and lesser are the same. Just started from two different imported versions of the same gene. They make all the same combos when mixed with other genes.

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butter and lesser are the same. Just started from two different imported versions of the same gene. They make all the same combos when mixed with other genes.

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Good to know. I think I'm gonna start looking on the forum for a lesser girl. I also need to ditch my 40breeder and get a ap t12. If I split it would that be big enough for both snakes?


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A t8 is actually perfect for two adult BPs. BPs won't use the height of the T12 and can sometimes cause heating issues. Plus the T8s are a quick ship item, so you don't have to wait 3-4+ weeks for your cage to ship out. Also T8s are much cheaper, which you can put towards accessories or RHPs or your new snake.

Here are some pictures of my 2011 1st generation RDR Lesser male and some of the babies that he produced last season.

Here are his baby pictures.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/26/uzede2e6.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/26/ha2ery9y.jpg

Him now at around 850 grams
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/26/gaje3a3e.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/26/nugeny4a.jpg

My boy with one of his daughters.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/26/na4yga4a.jpg

My two holdback girls.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/26/7urynyna.jpg

I do believe that lessers and butters are the same thing. In any mutation, you get what you pay for. I sold his babies for $300 each. They seem to get better and brighter with every shed!


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While very similar, Butters and Lessers are not the same morph. Similar but different. Same could be said for Mojave's.

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My two holdback girls.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/26/7urynyna.jpg

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You have stunning animals, very nice!

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You have stunning animals, very nice!

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Thank you! As far as value to the thread, I just wanted to show that it doesn't matter what the title is, but rather the quality of the animal. Sometimes you have to pay a little more and wait longer to find quality, but it is well worth the wait!


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While very similar, Butters and Lessers are not the same morph. Similar but different. Same could be said for Mojave's.

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Butters and lessers are the same, butters are just more expensive. Also, what do you mean about mojaves? They're the same as butters/lessers?