some 2013's

A few 2013's I produced and a few I traded for

Female Yellowbelly 100% het Hypo produced by Brian Breikss(SimpleMan)
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps9422b65c.jpg

Male Enchi 100% het Albino that I produced
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4c74fc6d.jpg

Male Spider Specter that I produced
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps28c1805b.jpg

1.1 Mojave Yellowbelly's that I produced
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd5558d06.jpg

Female Firefly produced by Brandon Ramos
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps8d7b9524.jpg

Female "I don't know" from Ivory to Normal.
Should be a yellowbelly, no chance of retained sperm, female threw Lessers last season.
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps7ae33a8f.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps261311a7.jpg

Females Superstripe & Spider Superstripe that I produced
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...pseb803f67.jpg

Amazing Jerry!
Great 2013s!

Love that SS and SSS!

Nice Enchi!

I don't know what that "I don't know" is, but I do know that I want one bad!

nice:gj::gj:

I really like the spider super stripe.:)

Great looking animals Jerry.
That enchi is hot and the "I dont know" is very interesting to come from that pairing.

really really nice, i like the spider superstripe, and i like the comparison shot with super stripe and spider super stripe. thats really interesting.

Amazing looking animals Jerry! I think that firefly might be from the same clutch as my male Bee. Brandon definitely produces some nice yellow animals. :)

Really nice animals. Thanks for sharing.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but if last years pairing was a Lesser male to the Normal female than the "I don't know" could be retained sperm. Since a Lesser would throw both the Lesser gene and the Normal gene, the Normal female could have retained a Normal gene sperm from the male last year, and could then throw a normal. Even though the Ivory was introduced it wouldn't have had any effect on that egg.

They all look great. I'm really liking the spider superstripe.

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Originally Posted by rlditmars

Really nice animals. Thanks for sharing.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but if last years pairing was a Lesser male to the Normal female than the "I don't know" could be retained sperm. Since a Lesser would throw both the Lesser gene and the Normal gene, the Normal female could have retained a Normal gene sperm from the male last year, and could then throw a normal. Even though the Ivory was introduced it wouldn't have had any effect on that egg.

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Thanks!
Ok so here's the scoop.
The chances of retained sperm would be astronomical since I got 6 females that look very similar to the one I shared.
What are the odds of a snake retaining sperm from a codom lsser and throwing 6 normals and all females?
The clutch had 7 snakes but one died crawling out of the egg.
Theoretically possible, very highly unlikely.

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Amazing Jerry!
Great 2013s!

Love that SS and SSS!

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Thanks Nikki!

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Nice Enchi!

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Thanks Doolittle:)
I can't wait to make some enchi albino's with him next year.

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Inarikins
I don't know what that "I don't know" is, but I do know that I want one bad!

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:D
Thanks, pretty neat looking whatever she and her siblings are.

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dgring
nice

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Thanks!

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Tigerhawk
I really like the spider super stripe.

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Definitely one of my favorites, and a powerhouse female when she's of breeding size.

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PitOnTheProwl
Great looking animals Jerry.
That enchi is hot and the "I dont know" is very interesting to come from that pairing.

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Thanks!
Yeah I'm only holding this one back, since it had the nicest pattern, the rest went to friends.

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Pythonfriend
really really nice, i like the spider superstripe, and i like the comparison shot with super stripe and spider super stripe. thats really interesting.

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It's pretty amazing what spider does to the superstripe, quite unexpected.

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WarriorPrincess90
Amazing looking animals Jerry! I think that firefly might be from the same clutch as my male Bee. Brandon definitely produces some nice yellow animals.

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Neat!
Yes he does, I love how bright his firefly's are!

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koloo921
They all look great. I'm really liking the spider superstripe.

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Thank you!

Clutch pic, the only one that didn't make it is the bottom right one.
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdbce9356.jpg

These are preshed pics, they have since shed and 4 of them have new homes.
I kept number one and gave it to my daughter to raise.
When number one is up to size for breeding I will probably breed a super specter to her.
I'm just not sure if they are yellowbellys and if they are they are the oddest looking yb's ever, lol
The male and female that produced the Ivory are super flamed up yellowbellys and not reduced pattern at all.

Female #1
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps8e32864c.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscd16ed3a.jpg

Female #2
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps28219a92.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps96f430f5.jpg

Female #3
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps14900649.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps3958b51e.jpg

Female #4
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps50ad04e6.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps3958b51e.jpg

Female #5
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6aed2cb8.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps86fc9692.jpg

Female #6
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscd32f0c4.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps2fbfb024.jpg

The ivory male that produced that clutch had a brother that I sold.
The brother produced a clutch for it's owner, Ivory X normal

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps79944889.jpg

I see an extra tub in your rack for that "IDK" ;) Looks like a side project for you to me! :gj:

A male that I traded for, Pastave hatched in July and has recently been paired with my cinny pewter female.
Produced by Ronda Huff, love this boy
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps35be8904.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps07881c72.jpg

Very nice Jerry. The YB combos are sweet looking and the pastave is a total stud!!

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Thanks!
Ok so here's the scoop.
The chances of retained sperm would be astronomical since I got 6 females that look very similar to the one I shared.
What are the odds of a snake retaining sperm from a codom lsser and throwing 6 normals and all females?
The clutch had 7 snakes but one died crawling out of the egg.
Theoretically possible, very highly unlikely.

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I am not trying to be argumentative so please don't take it that way. I just find this very puzzling. The odds do seem astronomical for the results to be as you described. Mind you, I am not the final word on all things YB. We have a couple of them and have hatched a couple clutches of them. However, looking at the pictures of the hatchlings, I do not see anything that looks undeniably YB in heads stamps, flames, or belly markings. If they are not YB, the odds that an Ivory could throw 7 snakes that aren't YB would seemingly be as astronomical as the former notion.

Quite the mystery and I look forward to the final act.

Love the Spider SS and SS.

Those IDKs are the weirdest yellowbellies I've ever seen if they're yellowbellies. I dont think they're all normals though. What's up with the ivory? Background, previous clutches?

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Thanks!
Ok so here's the scoop.
The chances of retained sperm would be astronomical since I got 6 females that look very similar to the one I shared.
What are the odds of a snake retaining sperm from a codom lsser and throwing 6 normals and all females?
The clutch had 7 snakes but one died crawling out of the egg.
Theoretically possible, very highly unlikely.

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More likely than you think. We bred a Lesser to Mojo this year and our results were 1 BEL, 4 normals, and 3 Fires.....she was bred to a Fire in 2011/12. Not a single Mojo or Lesser in the clutch for 2012/13 other than the BEL.

Even less likely is a clutch we had in 2011 of 10 eggs from Pied x het Pied......3 Pieds, all males.....and 6.1 hets. It happens.

BTW, nice looking snakes, especially those banded "normals/yb"?

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

More likely than you think. We bred a Lesser to Mojo this year and our results were 1 BEL, 4 normals, and 3 Fires.....she was bred to a Fire in 2011/12. Not a single Mojo or Lesser in the clutch for 2012/13 other than the BEL.

Even less likely is a clutch we had in 2011 of 10 eggs from Pied x het Pied......3 Pieds, all males.....and 6.1 hets. It happens.

BTW, nice looking snakes, especially those banded "normals/yb"?

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Thanks Brandon!
I know it is possible, but I'm stumped by the fact the don't look like normals either.
And all so similar looking and similar to the Ivory males offspring that I posted.
The Ivory's come from some very hot yellowbellys, so I was completely thrown off by what I got in this clutch.

Here is the male sRk line yellowbelly, he's my founding male for this line.
He passed away very unexpectedly before the babies he sired hatched :(
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/SDC14680.jpg

This is the female yellowbelly that produced the Ivory that sired those odd babies.
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT3793.jpg

This is a sister to the ivory's, I was really hoping to produce more yb's like this ...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5b1cca1f.jpg

I have the Ivory male breeding a different normal female this season and a pinstripe, hoping to figure something out, LOL

Smokin!

Like always, very nice animals Jerry!