Feeding Frozen

Hi guys

we have a 150g ball python and have been following the 10-15% feeding rule but we have been having trouble getting the proper size rats. in the past few orders trying to get the right size we have ended up with quite a few 10g rats.

Can we feed 2 at a time with frozen? and if so how do you go about doing it, not sure how( the same day or a few days later)

we normally feed once a week.

Thanks

Feed the first, when he finishes that the offer the second one.

If he won't take it then, then try again a little later.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Feed the first, when he finishes that the offer the second one.

If he won't take it then, then try again a little later.

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Feed the first, when he finishes that the offer the second one.

If he won't take it then, then try again a little later.

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x2 on this. This is what i did when i was feeding mine hopper mice. I would thaw out two and warm them both up and once he swallowed one and went back into strike mode id offer the next and he would take it. Some snakes won't eat more than one feeder so you might just have to give him one the next day or two later. :) tell us how it goes.

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Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

x2 on this. This is what i did when i was feeding mine hopper mice. I would thaw out two and warm them both up and once he swallowed one and went back into strike mode id offer the next and he would take it. Some snakes won't eat more than one feeder so you might just have to give him one the next day or two later. :) tell us how it goes.

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thanks

will do

If you just can't get it to take a second feeder, you can also go to feeding twice a week for a while.

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Originally Posted by Bechard4

Hi guys

we have a 150g ball python and have been following the 10-15% feeding rule but we have been having trouble getting the proper size rats. in the past few orders trying to get the right size we have ended up with quite a few 10g rats.

Can we feed 2 at a time with frozen? and if so how do you go about doing it, not sure how( the same day or a few days later)

we normally feed once a week.

Thanks

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The 10-15% rule only applies to hatchlings. Your ball is no longer a hatchling and assuming it's the correct weight for the age of your ball, he should be eating rat pups. You can feed 2 at a time if he'll take it, but I wouldn't do 2 rat pups at a time. The most I would do would be a rat pup and a rat fuzzy, or if you can't get rat pups then like 2 rat fuzzies. I have 2 girls that will usually take double the food, though sometimes they don't.

If you're going to double feed, do it back to back and then let your snake be for 2-3 days while it starts the digestion. Also once a week is fine, I do that during winter months but if it's not winter then they get put on a 6 day schedule just to get them to weight faster.

My question to you is where are you getting your frozen feeders from and what size are you having problems getting?

I've removed the posts with most of the bickering and started a new thread in quarantine here. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...g-Frozen-Split

Anyone who needs access to the quarantine room can get it by PMing one of the admins.

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Originally Posted by Neal

The 10-15% rule only applies to hatchlings.

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That rule is for hatchlings *and* juvies. Its still OK to use that rule for ~150g snakes up to 400-500g too. I'd consider using that rule myself if I didn't just eyeball my prey.

The rule is essentially for growing young snakes who have a faster metabolism than adults. Think of how growing young puppies eat just as much or double as much as their adult counter part. Babies and juvies are growing and need that extra energy. Adults plateau their growth so they don't need as much food to sustain themselves.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

That rule is for hatchlings *and* juvies. Its still OK to use that rule for ~150g snakes up to 400-500g too. I'd consider using that rule myself if I didn't just eyeball my prey.

The rule is essentially for growing young snakes who have a faster metabolism than adults. Think of how growing young puppies eat just as much or double as much as their adult counter part. Babies and juvies are growing and need that extra energy. Adults plateau their growth so they don't need as much food to sustain themselves.

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It can be used for a juvie, yes, but 15% barely meets the size the 150g ball could take. I was not doubting that it could work, just that when the whole thing was started, it was meant for anything under 100g.

I wonder who weighs their prey in the wild? Maybe the same person that weighs the ball pythons to see if they are heavy enough to breed. I know these are general guildlines for newbies but just something to think about.

And before someone asks, yes, I'm being sarcastic :D

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

I wonder who weighs their prey in the wild? Maybe the same person that weighs the ball pythons to see if they are heavy enough to breed. I know these are general guildlines for newbies but just something to think about.

And before someone asks, yes, I'm being sarcastic :D

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Well, obviously the snakes all have food scales and there are ball python grocery stores. ;)

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Originally Posted by Neal

It can be used for a juvie, yes, but 15% barely meets the size the 150g ball could take. I was not doubting that it could work, just that when the whole thing was started, it was meant for anything under 100g.

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Ideally, you're feeding that said juvie every 3-5 days at best. So you have to consider that as well.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Ideally, you're feeding that said juvie every 3-5 days at best. So you have to consider that as well.

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Well if people do that which I don't know many then yea it works out for juvies because they're still getting a certain percentage, but how many people do that? All the breeders I know don't feed them every 3-5 days, but once a week. Everybody has different ways of doing things now days though.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Well if people do that which I don't know many then yea it works out for juvies because they're still getting a certain percentage, but how many people do that? All the breeders I know don't feed them every 3-5 days, but once a week. Everybody has different ways of doing things now days though.

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Dude. What do you do on this forum?! You've been on this forum long enough where you should know that 3-5 is rule of thumb and most common advise given in regards to hatchling-juvie feeding schedule. :confused:


Many breeders who feed their hatchling and juvis once a week do it to minimize cost. Especially the ones they are not holding back and trying to sell. And some usually feed on the smaller side too.

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I would argue 90% of breeders feed every three days for juvies to get hold backs up to weight faster.

If make a five gene male, are you gonna wait the year till he can breed? Miss a season? Nope, they want the male breeding the next season.

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I'm out of this thread.
Its pretty pointless arguing and thread hijacking.

Peace out and keep reading.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Dude. What do you do on this forum?! You've been on this forum long enough where you should know that 3-5 is rule of thumb and most common advise given in regards to hatchling-juvie feeding schedule. :confused:


Many breeders who feed their hatchling and juvis once a week do it to minimize cost. Especially the ones they are not holding back and trying to sell. And some usually feed on the smaller side too.

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I never said that people don't recommend it for the 3-5 rule of thumb. I said most people don't follow it. I never said to not do it either. Yes, if it's a hold back and they're trying to get it up to size then they will do that, but if it's something they're going to be selling then no they don't. I was never arguing with you about the 3-5 day feeding thing. I simply said how many people do you know do that for their snakes? Especially if it's a pet?

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

I would argue 90% of breeders feed every three days for juvies to get hold backs up to weight faster.

If make a five gene male, are you gonna wait the year till he can breed? Miss a season? Nope, they want the male breeding the next season.

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We weren't referring to holdbacks, that's the thing. We were speaking in general. No if it's an expensive snake or a worlds first, they're not going to wait for it to get up to size. Even if you get it up to size the first year or two, it doesn't mean it will breed though. We went from talking in general to all the sudden speaking about hold backs and 3-5 day feedings when I was never questioning that in the first point.

I'm not going to get into this again with you, you're back pedaling again to try and cover your own misconceptions about this industry in which you have no experience.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

I'm not going to get into this again with you, you're back pedaling again to try and cover your own misconceptions about this industry in which you have no experience.

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Wow. You can't get over yourself. Stop trying to start an argument. I'm not back pedaling anything so if you think I am then you need to wipe whatever fluids are in your eyes out.

She said something about the 3-5 rule, which was going with the 10-15% rule. How many breeders do you know weigh or follow that rule and feed every 3-5 days. For a holdback or something like when people were first to have Coral Glows & Bamboos? Yes I'm sure they did feed 3-5 days. I was never saying they didn't. Do you really think snakes that they're planning to sell are going to get fed every 3-5 days? No. If you think that then you're mentally deranged. I'll state again and like I've said before. You can hate on me all you want because I clearly have more knowledge in 1% of my brain than you do in 95% of your brain, but I mean come on man. Go troll on another subject.

People who have pets and are just having snakes for pets, do you think they're feeding every 3-5 days? Ask 90% of the people who only have a snake or two that are doing it for pets if they're feeding their ball python weekly or every 3-5 days. Also just because it's a holdback and you want to get it to weight to breed it, that doesn't mean it will breed. That's a clear cut cold hard fact.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Ideally, you're feeding that said juvie every 3-5 days at best. So you have to consider that as well.

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Here is what she said quoted with no modifications.

She was implying that the 10-15% rule for feeding juvie's every 3-5 days at best.

There was no argument that this was done for hold backs or if people are just having a snake as a pet. You people tend to jump to conclusions without reading all the facts. Majority of snakes a breeder hatches will not go on a 3-5 day feeding schedule. All the sudden then it becomes about hold backs and this and that which was never in question. The people you see also recommending the 10-15% rule aren't saying to feed every 3-5 days.

Ok thanks guys

didn't mean to start anything here:)


anyway i fed him 2 F/T and he handled it like a champ.