wow!!?? (graphic?)

I have seen these photos several times and each time I see it, I get more upset!

I do not own these pictures, I have just seen them on tumblr a lot, so I thought I would show them to you guys, idk why sorry...

graphic in a way..

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps13c86f73.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps2bdb91d6.jpg



I don't know what else to say besides wow. I have so many questions about this! To me, the saddest part is that it looks to be happening inside of a house and people are around and stuff but didn't do anything to stop this from happening??

Sorry if there is a better place to post this, i just didn't exactly know where.

i'm at a loss for words!

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Why would someone allow this? That normal bp looks alive and healthy!

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Originally Posted by cecilbturtle

Why would someone allow this? That normal bp looks alive and healthy!

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they both do! it's so sad :(

to me it seems likes someone did this for fun??

I wish I hadn't looked. :(

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

I wish I hadn't looked. :(

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i'm sorry :(

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i'm sorry :(

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It's ok, it's just sad.

Poor baby. :tears:

That's the saddest thing I've ever seen :( poor thing..


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From what I heard when I first saw this pic, these two snakes were apparently housed together.. It's definite really sad and a good example of why not to house a burm and a ball together

I just see so many wrong things with this! normal is still alive even though it's being eaten, clearly inside a house - not something that just happened in the wild or whatever, snakes are the fastest eaters so it must have taken some time for one snake to eat the other, someone was taking a picture instead of helping.. the list goes on and on!

this is crazy, I am soooo confused!


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Hmm, I had no idea that burms ate other snake species, very interesting. I really dont have a problem with people using animals as feeders "obviously" but this seems like it was a very slow drawn out process and definitely not up to our humane standards in captivity.

Am I the only one that thinks this is photoshopped? A ball python just lets another snake swallow it tail-first, with no coiling? And the first pic looks like it is being swallowed head-first, but then the BP is yawning or swallowing something else in pic #2?

Not sure if it is photochopped or not, but it does look a little funky. It was posted 2-3 months back either here or on facebook. Don't remember which, probably FB.

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Am I the only one that thinks this is photoshopped? A ball python just lets another snake swallow it tail-first, with no coiling? And the first pic looks like it is being swallowed head-first, but then the BP is yawning or swallowing something else in pic #2?

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I've seen live snakes used as feeders. I can tell you 100% that a live snake would not just lay still and allow its self to be swallowed, it would be tightly coiled around that Burms head. Also since Burms don't typically eat snakes the only way I can see this realistically happening is if both animals grabbed opposite ends of the same rodent. And if that was the case the ball would have been swallowed head first. I would agree that this photo is likely doctored.

This has been going around on Tumblr, my friend asked me about it on Monday night. I didn't know what to tell her.

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Just BS some ppl are sick in the head to let a great looking snake eat one still alive like that and snap pics like it's the national geographic so sad I would of,killed the burm while doing that to save the bp

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It looks photoshopped to me.

I'm calling shenanigans. For 2 reasons...
First of all, that burm just looks wrong. I can't explain it, but in the first picture especially, there's something "off" about it. The best way I can explain it is that I feel like I'm looking at a puppet.
Second, and maybe more importantly, my mind simply refuses to accept the possibility that someone actually did this. If it were real, I would feel compelled to track down the parties responsible and inflict excruciatingly painful, yet non-lethal injuries upon them.

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Second, and maybe more importantly, my mind simply refuses to accept the possibility that someone actually did this. If it were real, I would feel compelled to track down the parties responsible and inflict excruciatingly painful, yet non-lethal injuries upon them.

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While I can't speak to the authenticity of the photographs - someone better with photo editors can figure that out - I'm guessing that you missed the fecal-storm that erupted over on the Fauna BOI when the owner of one of the giant snakes had a puppy get too close to it, the inevitable happened, and the owner's reaction was to document the sad event in pictures, which were subsequently posted on Facebook. So yes, people really are that stupid.

The ball doesn't look alive imo. They don't just open their mouths like that whether they're scared, hurt, or wanting to get away. However I've seen dead BPs with that expression. Not to mention the absence of the balling up defense mechanism?

I personally don't mind snakes being used as feeders. Most are f/t anyway. Its no different from us feeding off rats. And some species of snakes, like King Cobras, have to eat other snakes to thrive. Though I do acknowledge that Burms aren't snake eaters.

However, this picture, whether real or fake, was clearly done out of spite. I don't know how many of you are outside the ball community, but not very many people who keep other species like ball pythons. And whenever I do see a feeder ball picture, tons of people seem to be 'happy' and say dumb stuff like 'finally a purpose for a useless ball'.
No respect what so ever. I appreciate and respect my feeder rats for keeping my snakes healthy and alive. I think feeder snakes should be given the same respect.



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As far as I know, it was a hybrid project gone wrong and by the time the owner came about, it was too far gone to do anything.

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The lighting on the head is incorrect in the second pic. It has certainly been tampered with, although it theoretically could have been "adjusted" to brighten the content, when you consider the quality of the photos (blurry and poor) it seems unlikely. It looks very much like a mediocre photoshop job layering in the BP head to me rather than "highlighting" existing content. The first photo however is either legit, or they did a better job. I'm not fully convinced by the angle of the BP spine, but the lighting and quality are more consistent.

If that snake is still alive, I hope it's a faked picture. If it isn't fake and the snake is still alive, I don't understand how someone could just let that happen, it's sick. I understand animals need to eat, and some animals eat other animals. Fine, I raw feed my dogs and cats, and have even raised and butchered some food animals. I'm a biologist. I get it. But if it is happening in captivity, at least be humane about it!

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While I can't speak to the authenticity of the photographs - someone better with photo editors can figure that out - I'm guessing that you missed the fecal-storm that erupted over on the Fauna BOI when the owner of one of the giant snakes had a puppy get too close to it, the inevitable happened, and the owner's reaction was to document the sad event in pictures, which were subsequently posted on Facebook. So yes, people really are that stupid.

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Fortunately, I did miss that. UNfortunately, I know all too well how true your last sentence is. I only wish stupidity were the end of it, and I didn't have to see the cruelty we're capable of as well, and that's within our own species.


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However, this picture, whether real or fake, was clearly done out of spite. I don't know how many of you are outside the ball community, but not very many people who keep other species like ball pythons. And whenever I do see a feeder ball picture, tons of people seem to be 'happy' and say dumb stuff like 'finally a purpose for a useless ball'.
No respect what so ever. I appreciate and respect my feeder rats for keeping my snakes healthy and alive. I think feeder snakes should be given the same respect.

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I'm glad someone mentioned this because that's exactly what I was thinking when I first saw this. I've heard of keepers of larger constrictors in particular looking down on BPs, calling them "pet rocks," and feeding them to their snakes saying that they've finally found a use for ball pythons. I think it's safe to say this wasn't an accident (assuming it's real).

It's disgusting. Just because a species is smaller and easier to keep than a burm or retic doesn't mean it should be disrespected and mistreated by keepers like this. Even feeders should be respected, but I can't imagine why you would feed a BP to a burm...

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Just BS some ppl are sick in the head to let a great looking snake eat one still alive like that and snap pics like it's the national geographic so sad I would of,killed the burm while doing that to save the bp

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I understand where you are coming from being a bp lover. However do be aware that this is exactly how ppl outside of our community feel about us taking feeding pictures of rat and mouse

truly disgusting.

i would suggest that a moderator should remove the hotlinked pictures and replace them with regular pictures, so that the people that want to see it can do so by clicking it. i would have liked that choice, with a description of the content and a link to click, the description would have been more than enough for me and i would not have clicked.


if it happens by accident and you catch it in time, shouldnt the teeth be the only thing preventing you from pulling out the smaller snake? if so, putting a flexible sheet of plastic between the teeth of the larger snake and the body of the smaller snake could work, and make it possible to pull the smaller snake out. but then, these are probarbly fake, i guess when it happens by accident in reality, or when a king cobra takes down a smaller snake, it will be head first in almost all the cases.

i heared of one case where it happened by accident because the keeper made the mistake of feeding two snakes together, and both snakes started swallowing the food item from different sides. then, if you are lucky both snakes get stuck pretty badly and you have to cut the food item in half, if you are unlucky one starts swallowing the other. in that scenario, it would also be head first all the time.

so, yeah, the second one really may be fake, others say they see indications of a photoshop job, and for me it seems unlikely that it should happen tail first.

I'd hate to break it to everyone, but having used photoshop for nearly 20 years, I see no signs that these are fake. I can see what may cause the confusion in the second pic, but think it's just a blurry photo. The first is absolutely real.

I didn't see any signs of photoshop either.

It's sad but as far as I'm concerned the outcome was superior to a successful pairing; if this was truly the result of a failed breeding attempt. Neither snake looks of adequate weight to even consider breeding. If this was an attempt of hybridization, whether you're a fan or not, chalk the outcome up to irresponsible keeping.

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I don't know how many of you are outside the ball community, but not very many people who keep other species like ball pythons. 2

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Why is that? What is their reason? Just wondering. I didn't know that BPs are poorly regarded like this.


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Why is that? What is their reason? Just wondering. I didn't know that BPs are poorly regarded like this.


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They're so mainstream, a ton of people are attracted to them. It's arbitrary, but you'll hear boa people and large python people make these statements.

As well as "you haven't really kept a snake until you've had a boa/retic/burm".

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Obviously. No matter what hobby you get in, there's always those who feel superior.

I was on another forum once, and a member was trying to pressure me into getting a boa instead of a ball python, because they are more "fun" and do more. It really comes down to personal preference. I don't think one snake is necessarily better than another, just different snakes are better for different people's preferences in looks, temperament, husbandry, etc. I guess it's like the horse world too, Arabs vs quarter horses.

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I'm personally not a fan of ball pythons, but I have nothing against them and I do find them pretty. I don't plan on keeping one, but I'm not marking them off my list.
My only reason for disliking them is because they are so common. Its a bit disappointing going to Repticon (the only expo in my area that I know of) in search of a snake and almost the only thing you can find is some coloration of a ball python.

I have seen many remarks against ball pythons on another snake forum I used to be/kinda still am on. Many people say they are "boring."




As far as the pictures, it was sad when I first viewed it, but then again its the same as feeding a mouse or a rat to a snake. Mice and rats were my pets before I ever considered getting a snake. I adore my mice and rats are pretty nice pets as well, but that doesn't stop me from feeding them to my snake, cat and ferrets. Though I'm a firm believer in providing proper diets for animals, so it irritates me that a ball python would be used to feed a non-snake eating snake.

Also, the pictures don't look photoshopped to me, and I am also very experienced with photoshop.



EDIT: Actually I probably will end up getting at least one ball python. lol I was really tempted to get one at the last Repticon because there were some really cheap normal ball pythons.

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It's not just from the burm/boa/big constrictor folks.
I hear it from colubrid, lizard, and venomous people too.

Ball pythons are just seen as over saturated and overrated boring slugs. They are the 'inbred picky eating rocks of the snake world'.
They're not as exciting as other species of snake. And in comparison to other snakes, they lack a personality in general.
Basically the only "big deal" and defining quality about ball pythons is the vast variety of morphs.

I do agree with those statements to some degree, but I still like balls. lol
I honestly didn't realize how true some of those statements were till I started exposing myself to other species.

I wish I didn't look. It's so sad.

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Much of the animosity comes from ball pythons basically taking over expos and the perceived reptile market. If you want to blame something for your problems, if you want to fling crap and have it land - I reckon you ought to pick a big target - regius keepers are a rather large crowd. I too miss the variety of the old expos but am ashamed at the way people bash something because it's a convenient mark. Breeders getting bent out of shape because everyone wants ball pythons? I don't see how you're losing business if you're not getting a piece of the new pie, your old pie is still here and as tasty as ever. If anything ball pythons are creating sales for other breeders by bringing these new people into the hobby who might later decide to branch out into other species. Then there's the crowd of over compensators who think if your snake isn't big enough to kill a small deer you're not a snake keeper. Should we really care what these type of forward thinkers think of us?

OMG I almost threw up when I saw this.... poor BP!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f69p...e_gdata_player

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I guess it's like the horse world too, Arabs vs quarter horses.

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Lol, I caught my own bias surfacing as I read this, thinking how neither one can clear a fence over 18" with decent form. ;)

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Lol, I caught my own bias surfacing as I read this, thinking how neither one can clear a fence over 18" with decent form. ;)

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*cough* Appendix QH *cough cough*

But no I may not care for certain horse breeds but I'm not so cynical to think they don't have use or be happy over the loss of them. That's just wrong. As animal lovers it just doesn't make sense to hate on other species of snakes. I now have my first boa and yes she is very different than the ball pythons. I find her pretty interesting, but the whole reason I got a ball python to begin with was their looks and I wanted one to chill with me while I'm on the computer. Have yet to get one that will just sit still that long though. :P I plan on getting a retic one day and breeding boas on a small scale (compared to my BP breeding plans). I think it's very snobby and anti herp community to look down on others or another species because they're popular. If anything people with more "advanced" snakes should be happy that balls draw people to the hobby. I wouldn't of gotten into reptiles if I didn't get a ball python. Now I have plans for more boas, getting some dart frogs, a chameleon, etc.

Like someone already pointed out, there's always THAT group of people in any hobby that think their snake, car, or gun is superior to everyone else's (BPs aren't my only expensive hobby ;) )

Personally, I love my picky eater rocks. I want to get a Maine Coon someday (a really big cat) and I don't want it to be dinner for my snake.

Anyway, if I ever decide to get something bigger, I'll get a pony.

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This is maddening and terrible! I too had no idea people look down on ball pythons especially because they are popular. They sound like weird hipsters. I hate spiders including tarantulas but I would never be OK with someone mistreating them. I also am glad ball pythons are popular because they are easy to care for. In the pet trade so many people buy cute baby iguanas who can't properly care for such a large lizard. They don't even do their research. Imagine if pet stores sold baby retics and burms!

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I should prob mention it is fine to kill spiders but my rules with killing any animal are make it quick and clean. This doesn't look like that to me

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I accidentally added this and posted twice but can't figure out how to delete.

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Lol, I caught my own bias surfacing as I read this, thinking how neither one can clear a fence over 18" with decent form. ;)

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And the owner of an OTTB needs to go clean coffee off of her monitor now... :D

Man I saw a rat like that once!

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Why is that? What is their reason? Just wondering. I didn't know that BPs are poorly regarded like this.

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I think part of this is that your 'average' person who goes into a pet store and buys a ball python has no idea about proper husbandry. This results in URIs and refusals to eat. As a vet tech who used to work at a practice that dealt with exotics I used to say that if you looked at a ball python funny it would stop eating for 6 months just to spite you. And that was also the sort of thing I heard when I first considered getting into snakes and was pondering between ball pythons, corn snakes, and king snakes.

I ended up with corn snakes instead because they're thinner... and they will usually eat F/T and any time you offer.