Gonna Try Breeding

Heyy..
I have done alot of re search on this topci and i have found that this is something that i am very intrested in, and would love to do. So i am going to pick up another bp ( female . But before i get to involved i wanted to bring it up to you guys. I have a few questions/concerns. First being -- i plan to use a rubber maid or sterilite (which ever ) what size is sufficent to house a fully grown female. My male is in a 33 gal glass encloser. -- At what size are the two bp's ready to breed. -- I know the months are september, november, but i am also hearing that it can be even january. Belive it or not but i even heard on one site that ball pythons are willing to breed at any time, as long is it is after the female has shed?. Finally As you probally already know, I live in Canada, more specifially Newfoundland. Just wondering if any one knows of a candian breeder that have realtivialy low prices.
thanx
Chris
PS. Can two "normal" bp's produce a certian morph.-- and how much should i pay for a piebald het.

No, two normal bp's cannot produce a morph. Two normal-looking ones that are het for the same trait can produce a morph, though.

Im looking to buy a Male het to breed to a normal female

House of Herps FYI Breeding your Het to a Normal will only statisticaly give your clutch 50% het. If you already have a Het it would probably be in your best interest to purchase another het. To reap better benefits.

I know, I dont have them money for a female het:( So it may take a few years.

chong_python: chances are you're going to be stuck paying $100 for shipping via Air Canada heated cargo. If you don't mind the shipping cost, there are many good breeders you could go with. The market price more or less is $125-$150CDN for 2004 CB female balls. Anything other than a hatchling is much more difficult to say. Very few adult females come up for sale, but it does happen here and there. I've just seen some listed recently for $300CDN. I also know someone who is selling CH 2003 females. I have a bunch of them from him myself, and they all feed like boas but they're very small for yearlings. They wouldn't be ready this season, but they should definitely be ready to go next season.

I think the general rule for breeding maturity is that males be at least 800g and females be at least 1500g. I've heard of males and females breeding as young as 18 months, but are usually not quite as fertile yet at that age, so shoot for 30 months (spring babies, bred in the fall/winter of 2 years later).

I was recently clued into a site, www.reptibid.com, where they have all manner and ages of snakes, including BP's for sale and auction. All herpatiles (sp?) actually. It's pretty much eBay for reptile stuff. Got a ZooMed Repti-Temp 500 Thermostat for $15+4 shipping= $19 to my door. Lots of stuff there, and more links.

What would happen if you bred a normal with a het? I guess I mean what would the pffspring look like?

Woha that was a while ago, DIdnt get a chance to thank you guys lol. Im going to wait for a while. Im still looking for a female, im not in any rush some time in the near future

thanks again lol

The offspring would look like normals.

ok, that's what i thought, only they;re gonna be 50% hets right?

so if one breeds a 100% het pied to a normal the offspring would all look normal of course and there would only be 50% het? then if you did get the right sex and cold tell which one was a het (no one i know believes in markers) then you would have offspring of normals and a 25% chance of visible morph? gosh i'm dizzy...

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so if one breeds a 100% het pied to a normal the offspring would all look normal of course and there would only be 50% het?

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Yes, het recessive to normal produces all possible hets. Half are actually het, but you can't tell by looking at them because they all appear normal.

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then if you did get the right sex and cold tell which one was a het (no one i know believes in markers) then you would have offspring of normals and a 25% chance of visible morph? gosh i'm dizzy...

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Huh?? I think you are trying to describe het recessive to het recessive?

Breeding het recessive to het recessive should statistically produce 25% homozygous (visual morph), 50% heterozygous, and 25% normal or "wild type". And again, since you wouldn't be able to diffentiate the normals from the hets, the approximate two thirds of the cluth that wasn't homozygous would be referred to as 66% possible hets.

-adam

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so if one breeds a 100% het pied to a normal the offspring would all look normal of course and there would only be 50% het?

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It's because so many of the possible hets have the marker from het and possible het parents with the marker that some of us believe in it. Basically because they don't all look normal we think there is something going on.

I've seen quotes from big pied breeders indicating they feel they can identify many het pieds on sight.

so then if i send you photos, when i can, of the bottoms would you be able to tell me what i've got? i've been told they were peids - het for pied and one has a clear belly the other is just loaded with black spots.
i'd do this off line though. email me direct if you can help.

I could guess.

People who have actually produced pieds could probably guess better.

I just believe the odds of a possible het with the mark being a het are much better than the odds of a sibling possible het without the mark. Now if you have a known het without the mark and none of the clutch has the mark then maybe they are all really 50% hets rather than some with higher and some with lower odds.