may get het clowns,can you tell if there hets?

I might be trading my male mojave around 950g for a pastel het clown and normal het clown and i was wondering if theres any markers or characteristics that show het clowns like say a het pied

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There can be a 'look' for Het clowns. Some het clowns will have this 'look', but not all. Clown tends to brighten up Hets and influence pattern. Its usually easier to see it in morphs than normals.

I would say that pastel looks rather promising. Is there a picture of the parents?

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not yet i just got that pic of his and it took him a day to send those, lol so may take awhile. He was selling them so i offered my mojave for them just to see what he would say and he might trade so now i want to know if you can even tell because he has them posted as possible hets and was selling his pastels males for $125 and females for $150 then the normal possible hets for males $75 and females $100

Can you get a picture of the pastel spread out more?

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They said they produced them and the normal het clown is the female.They said the parents was a pastel 100 percent het clown to a normalwhich sucks cuz they made normals, het clowns,pastels and pastel het clown

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They said they produced them and the normal het clown is the female.They said the parents was a pastel 100 percent het clown to a normalwhich sucks cuz they made normals, het clowns,pastels and pastel het clown

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then they cannot have a het clown for sale. only possible het clowns.

sometimes you can see that its a het clown, sometimes not, and BPs that are not het clown sometimes have the same optics. sure they look promising, but a more wonky pattern and more brightness, thats something you can also have in normals.

its a gamble, and for a gamble i would either pay nothing at all, or i would at least pay less than for a 100% het clown.

Well i was trading my male mojave for a pastel poss het clown and poss het clown i wasnt spending money

If that was the pairing, then they are likely not het, as pythonfriend said they are possible het, and why would you want siblings, im assuming you would try to breed to get clowns? Get an un-related pair, and buy from someone who has 100% hets otherwise you are taking a risk, one parent must be visual clown.

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Well i was trading my male mojave for a pastel poss het clown and poss het clown i wasnt spending money

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You mean you were thinking of trading your mojave for a pastel and a normal, until proven otherwise, I personally wouldn't do it, what would they bring you? If you want to make clowns do it the right way, buy 100% hets, or a visual. Although its your snake, and your choice.

Those snakes only have a 50% chance of being het clowns. Now I know some people who swear that they can spot a het clown based on looks, but personally I just don't see it and wouldn't trust it myself.

if the hatchlings are both female, then it makes sense.

you would give away a male mojave for two female possible het clown hatchlings, then you buy a male visual clown. that can make sense.

if these are males or when its a pair, i would say no. oh, and breeding possible het to possible het definitively makes no sense. a male pastel possible het clown is of very limited use, while a male possible het clown without pastel makes absolutely no sense.

so thats what it depends on: if you plan on getting a male visual clown or already have one, and if these are both females, then the trade makes sense. otherwise i would say dont do it.

Hets only make sense if you trust the person you're buying them from.

Possible hets only make sense if you trust the person you're buying from and feel like spending 1 to 3 years gambling.

There are too many hets from a visual parent running around now at decent prices to make possible hets worth the risk, IMO.

He's trying to make money off a base pairing it sounds like to me. If you really want clowns, go buy either visuals or 100% hets. He should be selling those as pet quality normals and pastels.


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I was planning on getting a male clown but i may just get a male clown and a 100 percent het clown female and i may just trade my mojave for a male bumblebee or try and sell him which hasnt been easy because nobody wants to buy him

I doubt you get a bee male for him. Maybe if you ponied up some cash on your end to go with it.

I know the want to make your favorite morph, and two 100% hets aren't a bad idea if you can't afford a visual male right away.

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That sounds like a better idea than than the first one. As aforementioned, there is no point in a male het clown, if he proves out. Clowns create some awesome combos and you can breed the male clown to up to 5 females that are het for clown and have a codom or dom gene.


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That sounds like a better idea than than the first one. As aforementioned, there is no point in a male het clown, if he proves out. Clowns create some awesome combos and you can breed the male clown to up to 5 females that are het for clown and have a codom or dom gene.


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Why is five the magical maximum number?

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I already have someone that wants to trade his male bumblebee for my mojave

A two for one gene deal wouldn't be something I'd bat an eye at. Unless the bee doesn't look very good.

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[QUOTE=Kodieh;2201712]Why is five the magical maximum number?

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A male can normally breed many females but five is a safe number. I like to stick to 1 make to 5 females


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Why is five the magical maximum number?

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A male can normally breed many females but five is a safe number. I like to stick to 1 make to 5 females


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Again, I ask why?

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Again, I ask why?

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If a male is bred to too many females he can die of sexual exhaustion or could get an infected hemipenes. Better to not take the chance


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If a male is bred to too many females he can die of sexual exhaustion or could get an infected hemipenes. Better to not take the chance


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With proper breeding techniques, more specifically the resting of males between breeding (if you pair him to more than one female, or to the same female multiple times) there is not a reasonable risk of "sexual exhaustion" or infected hemipene. In fact, the infection would need to come from some where right? Human interaction of a filthy enclosure.

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It mainly happens to careless people who want to breed a male to as many females as they can. I'm not saying it will happen, but there is a POSSIBILITY of it happening.


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as with so many things, there is no clear number, but people like numbers and using their minds they manage to get them.

for example, and these are really examples i make up: someone thinks a healthy and useful scedule is to put a male to a female for 2 days, then give the male 3 days of rest, and then put him to the same or a different female for 2 days, 3 days rest, and so on. now these assumptions have consequences: with 5 females, one male will see each female every 25 days, for 2 days. is that enough for an acceptable fertility rate? how often should each female get to lock with a male to make sure it works? basically you add more assumptions, and you get a number. beyond a certain point it gets unacceptable, because the male would see too many females too often and would get exhausted, or if you give the male the rest time he needs, the females would see the male too rarely, and the gaps get so large that you get too many unfertilized eggs.

that being said, without a clear upper limit, i would say 5 makes a lot of sense.