Is this a cinnamon?

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Sorry for posting this here, but this board is more active than the others. Anyway, someone is willing to sell this 'cinnamon' to me for 60 bucks, but I honestly think it's a normal type. I'm getting fed up with craiglists and buying balls because people seem to be willing to scam. A guy tried to sell my a caramel albino that was a normal.

Hard to say with the lighting you are using, however it does look like it could very well be a cinnamon. If you could get better pics that would help a lot

As above - it might be but better pics of the side pattern and head would help.

I'd honestly stop looking for a bargain and start looking for a quality example of the morph where you have no need to ask what it is.

It will show in the offspring you can produce.

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Originally Posted by dr del

As above - it might be but better pics of the side pattern and head would help.

I'd honestly stop looking for a bargain and start looking for a quality example of the morph where you have no need to ask what it is.

It will show in the offspring you can produce.

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The head makes no difference for a cinny, side patterns are irrelevant, since cinnamon on it's own is more of a color mutation I wanted to see the colors more clearly.

Looks cinny to me

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Originally Posted by Mr Green

I'm getting fed up with craiglists and buying balls because people seem to be willing to scam. A guy tried to sell my a caramel albino that was a normal.

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Scammers???? On Craigslist??? I've not heard of this before...

All sarcasm aside...how about buying from a reputable breeder? Not like there aren't a million resources for finding quality snakes out there...if you pay 60 bucks for a questionable Cinny off Craigslist, you're a fool...

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Originally Posted by EME

The head makes no difference for a cinny, side patterns are irrelevant, since cinnamon on it's own is more of a color mutation I wanted to see the colors more clearly.

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I've only hatched a few Cinnys, but what you say here couldn't be further from the truth, imo. Cinny heads are distinctly different than normals, as are the side patterns...:confusd:

I have hatched a ton of them and I have never relied on the head with a cinny, there is just no need for it. And yes it CAN play with the pattern but doesn't always. Easiest way to tell a cinny is by the color, hence asking for pics under better lighting

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Originally Posted by EME

I have hatched a ton of them and I have never relied on the head with a cinny, there is just no need for it. And yes it CAN play with the pattern but doesn't always. Easiest way to tell a cinny is by the color, hence asking for pics under better lighting

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A Cinny without a Cinny head and Cinny pattern is a low quality Cinny...cinny cinny cinny...

Doesn't really have a Cinny look to me. A nice Cinnamon, in my opinion, is higher, pixellating contrast between the pattern and the dark areas, with a silvery tone in the blushing. Get a good look at the eyes, they're normally pretty dark, sometimes with a silvery tone along the top where the eye mask lies.

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Originally Posted by EME

I have hatched a ton of them and I have never relied on the head with a cinny, there is just no need for it. And yes it CAN play with the pattern but doesn't always. Easiest way to tell a cinny is by the color, hence asking for pics under better lighting

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Just my opinion but good quality cinnys have faded face and head markings and blushing pushing up the side pattern into a "floating" look.

Like this;

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...h/IMG_6638.jpg

http://www.ballpython777.com/cinnamon/cin1.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...t/Cinny1-1.jpg

http://www.vmsherp.com/images/ForSal...s/M002-01M.jpg

http://www.bestpetpalmbeach.com/images/cin1.png

http://baileyreptiles.com/images/ava.../11cphhym4.JPG

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Originally Posted by dr del

Just my opinion but good quality cinnys have faded face and head markings and blushing pushing up the side pattern into a "floating" look.

Like this;

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...h/IMG_6638.jpg

http://www.ballpython777.com/cinnamon/cin1.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...t/Cinny1-1.jpg

http://www.vmsherp.com/images/ForSal...s/M002-01M.jpg

http://www.bestpetpalmbeach.com/images/cin1.png

http://baileyreptiles.com/images/ava.../11cphhym4.JPG

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These are exactly what I was imagining when I was writing my post, thanks Dr. Del!

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Originally Posted by sho220

I've only hatched a few Cinnys, but what you say here couldn't be further from the truth, imo. Cinny heads are distinctly different than normals, as are the side patterns...:confusd:

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Heads are important, and side pattern is really important, all that combined with the correct coloration makes a cinny....

My point wasn't that they don't have them, it was they they are unnecessary when looking at a cinny. It's a pretty easy morph to pick out


Great looking cinnys btw

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Originally Posted by EME

I have hatched a ton of them and I have never relied on the head with a cinny, there is just no need for it. And yes it CAN play with the pattern but doesn't always. Easiest way to tell a cinny is by the color, hence asking for pics under better lighting

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Maybe you thought you hatched a ton. Most breeders I hear sell poor quality morphs as normals so to A. Have a reputation of producing quality animals, and B. Not provide a future breeder with a bad example so more bad examples are created.

Craigslist is full of dumb people that have no clue what they own. Two days ago I saw a listing selling two red tails. One was $100 the other $200. The pictures were ball pythons. :confusd: I just don't see how you can be that dumb. I can see where someone thinks "bald python" but red tail is just unforgivable.

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Originally Posted by EME

My point wasn't that they don't have them, it was they they are unnecessary when looking at a cinny. It's a pretty easy morph to pick out


Great looking cinnys btw

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Do you have any pics of these Cinnys that you hatched out that don't have the Cinny head and sides? Just curious what they look like...

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Originally Posted by EME

I have hatched a ton of them and I have never relied on the head with a cinny, there is just no need for it. And yes it CAN play with the pattern but doesn't always. Easiest way to tell a cinny is by the color, hence asking for pics under better lighting

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It's all based on color and it doesn't always play with the pattern... So is this girl a normal then? Or a cinny?
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I'd say the OP's is a low quality cinny. :gj:

Its a cinny.
But its a cinny that I personally wouldn't buy.

Cinnamon is a color and pattern morph folks.....

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Back to the topic for the OP, I think it's a cinny for sure. It is a light colored cinny, though, and if that's what you're looking for in a cinny, then by all means, go for it. It is absolutely not a normal. No better lighting needed in order to see that.

Funny to see such debate over cinny's. :rolleyes: In one clutch of cinny to normal, we hatched out 4 female cinnamons. 2 of them were black-dark; 1 was medium; and one was quite lighter than most. However, with color and pattern, it was still obvious--absolutely without question--that it was a cinny. So just in one clutch, we had a huge variance.

As far as quality in a cinnamon, go for what you like. There is such a variation of shades and pattern in cinnamons. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And depending on what you're going for in a combo, you may want one quality over another--and heaven forbid that what you want isn't what someone else thinks is "quality".

This snake in the picture is a cinnamon, no doubt.

But to say it's all about color and not pattern is kind of....ridiculous. I've seen plenty of normals that were the exact same color as some cinnamons. But without the confirming side pattern, it's not a cinnamon. Period. You can argue the fact all you like, but it's a color AND pattern morph, not just color. That's like saying a spider ball is all about the white on the sides, and not the pattern on the back. I've seen lots of normals that had white sides, but that doesn't make them spiders.

The snake in the picture does not have a lot of the "squiggles" in the side pattern that many cinnamons do, but the highly blushed back is very lovely in this snake.

Gale

Agree with Gale 100%. Cinny is color AND pattern.

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