Most browned out Pastel "contest"

Who has the most browned out pastel?

This guy was my first morph before I knew what I was looking for.


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I'm disappointed that no one's joined in the game. I've seen a lot browner than yours, but I don't have my own to put up.

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Originally Posted by Fidget

I'm disappointed that no one's joined in the game. I've seen a lot browner than yours, but I don't have my own to put up.

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I was thinking the same.

1820 grams female
http://i40.tinypic.com/20rwizs.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/22/7anetete.jpg
3100 gram Female Pastel

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Originally Posted by Fidget

I'm disappointed that no one's joined in the game. I've seen a lot browner than yours, but I don't have my own to put up.

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This is a contest where people are seeing who has the worst pastel...I know I wouldn't want one of my animals to win this contest. It can come off as kind of insulting. That could potentially be why no one is entering. I only have a pastel lesser and she's pretty darn good.

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Originally Posted by Mrl249

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/22/7anetete.jpg
3100 gram Female Pastel

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Browned out, yes, but I actually find that one pretty in its own right. :)

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Originally Posted by Mrl249

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/22/7anetete.jpg
3100 gram Female Pastel

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This is the only really browed out pastel that I have seen so far on this thread. The others look typical for adult pastels.

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

This is a contest where people are seeing who has the worst pastel...I know I wouldn't want one of my animals to win this contest. It can come off as kind of insulting. That could potentially be why no one is entering. I only have a pastel lesser and she's pretty darn good.

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Sure, I can see it being taken that way. I don't think that was OP's intention, though, since he/she entered their own as an example. Browned out doesn't equal "worst" in the eyes of those who aren't looking for a breeding standard. You don't hide your grandma just because she has wrinkles! :)

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Originally Posted by Fidget

Sure, I can see it being taken that way. I don't think that was OP's intention, though, since he/she entered their own as an example. Browned out doesn't equal "worst" in the eyes of those who aren't looking for a breeding standard. You don't hide your grandma just because she has wrinkles! :)

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I don't think that was the OP's intention either, I just think that's how it came off.

However, knowing that I strive to have the "sexiest grandmas" in my collection, winning a contest with the most wrinkles isn't an accomplishment I want to make. Just another perspective. I know I'm not the only one who feels that way and I just wanted to present another side to the argument.

The earth tone pastels have pale color creeping up the sides blending into a rich brown coloring, giving a nice moderate look. Whats not to appreciate?

I agree with BH.
I know the op is just trying to have some fun. But let's just say having a really browned out pastel *usually* isn't something most people are proud of....




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Not in shed either, I WIN! Lol

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I've got a girl that's really brown, but I don't take pictures of her. Lol

Anybody with a pastel over 4 years and 2000g ought to be able to contribute to this one. I think the real "winners" should have an age/size restriction. Let's see who can post up the brownest pastel under 500g. :D


Mother, daughter shot to show that even nice pastels get "brown" given enough time and size:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps6231f176.jpg

I wish I had taken a photo of the "fancy BP" at the local Petsmart. It was in the 150-200gram range and was difficult to ID as a pastel. For what they were asking you could have picked up a bright pastel and a whack of feeders easily from a local breeder.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

I wish I had taken a photo of the "fancy BP" at the local Petsmart. It was in the 150-200gram range and was difficult to ID as a pastel. For what they were asking you could have picked up a bright pastel and a whack of feeders easily from a local breeder.

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Just curious, what were they asking?

Here is a thread I found with a pretty browned out pastel: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Major-DDUUWW) and I am a strong believer that whatever an animal looks like it is still amazing and should not be looked down upon based upon breeding ability and what a single person belives as "not good quality", of course I know about breeding and clean pattern+++ but if it is just to be kept as a pet who cares if it is "good quality"
Sorry about the mini-rant, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular I just feel strongly about this and im sure im not the only one.
Edit: In the link i am talking about the first pastel after the Normals and its acctually notthat browned out but I just happened to find it

If memory serves it was $249 for an unsexed fancy ball python. And, for clarification this was at a Canadian Petsmart.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

If memory serves it was $249 for an unsexed fancy ball python. And, for clarification this was at a Canadian Petsmart.

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Ha, thats crazy, in the UK we dont have petsmart but even if we did I would completely avoid it, thats a crazy price for any young pastel, however "browned out" it is.

Noah was never really bright but now he's just... Brown. Still love his blushing though and he was my very first ball pythonhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/27/turumy2u.jpg

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Both of mine are working on their "browning". :D


Here's my female at 1243 grams.

http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/...8/P1080594.jpg


And here is my male at 516 grams.

http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/...8/P1080556.jpg


They may not be top notch animals, but I think they're both beautiful. :) ;)

haha...Love this thread. :gj:

I don't have this guy anymore, but he was starting to brown out in his old age...:D

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...s/IMG_6304.jpg

All right. Sorry it took me so long to jump in here. I don't have much pride to swallow (and neither should the rest of you :colbert:), so..........


Feast your eyes on all 1700 grams of Mocha!!! And let's face it, the fact that a pastel is named "Mocha" should tell you something from the start.......

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...29-03237-1.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...1031-03245.jpg

And to maximize the effect, here she is in shed. :D
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...0619-01980.jpg

I have a quite browned out 0.1 Pastel that has produced some great looking hatchlings. Just because they are browned out does not mean the offspring will take that on.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/02/ga9aqera.jpg

She has crazy blushing though

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/02/a2apudyb.jpg

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

I know I'm not the only one who feels that way and I just wanted to present another side to the argument.

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I don't think a thread like this even warrants an argument. It's more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" thread.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I know the op is just trying to have some fun. But let's just say having a really browned out pastel *usually* isn't something most people are proud of....

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Wow. An animal lover who claims that a healthy 'lower grade' animal isn't something to be proud of. And here I am, glad and appreciative just to have two normals.

What a shame things are becoming these days.

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I don't think a thread like this even warrants an argument. It's more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" thread.



Wow. An animal lover who claims that a healthy 'lower grade' animal isn't something to be proud of. And here I am, glad and appreciative just to have two normals.

What a shame things are becoming these days.

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Thanks, my point exactly

Satomi and I are presenting the side of the argument of the breeder...not the pet owner.


As a pet owner, go for it! Be proud of your animals. All animals are beautiful whether they are browned out pastels or normals. My normals in my collection are some if my favorite animals. However, as a breeder, having browned out pastels is not something to be proud of. The goal is to enhance the morph by breeding quality animals. You can't achieve that by breeding low quality, browned out animals.

I think this thread is great for showing pet animals, but not breeder quality animals. There's a complete distinction and I don't think you see that or feel like we acknowledge it. However, we do. We're saying breeder animals shouldn't be here.

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I don't think a thread like this even warrants an argument. It's more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" thread.



Wow. An animal lover who claims that a healthy 'lower grade' animal isn't something to be proud of. And here I am, glad and appreciative just to have two normals.

What a shame things are becoming these days.

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People were wondering why the thread took a while to get started and we gave a truthful answer.

Health has nothing to do with this thread. Having a healthy animal is absolutely great no matter what. But this isn't a 'who has the healthiest pastel thread'. Its a 'who has the most browned out pastel'.

And personally, I interpreted that this is a thread that is basically saying 'who has the *least* physically attractive pastel'. And while it was made for fun, I don't find winning that title to be very positive, imo.


Maybe you don't share the notion, but I would not be proud to have my animals labeled as essentially 'ugly'. Especially when I strive my hardest to breed, keep, and obtain the best examples I could find that would make me proud to have in my collection. So them being labeled as 'physically unattractive' would be downright insulting/offensive/shameful/whatever.

Just my $.02

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I don't think a thread like this even warrants an argument. It's more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" thread.



Wow. An animal lover who claims that a healthy 'lower grade' animal isn't something to be proud of. And here I am, glad and appreciative just to have two normals.

What a shame things are becoming these days.

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What is a shame is people like you thinking you're the authority, when you have two normals.

There's a reason snakes go back home with breeders at the end of expos. Can't claim prices, everyone drops prices towards the end.

Ugly animals don't sell. Except to people who can't afford the expensive nice looking ones. Or people who don't know what a pastel is.

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Why do Pastels only have to be used to go lighter? I would agree that years ago a brown Pastel would be basically worthless. At this point in the game though, with as many morphs are out there now, I think this is pretty limited thinking.

There are lots of directions to go and if you're trying to make light or reduced combos then buy a light Pastel. If you're trying for darker combos wouldn't you want to cross it into darker Pastels?

Just food for thought...

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Originally Posted by dbherp

Why do Pastels only have to be used to go lighter? I would agree that years ago a brown Pastel would be basically worthless. At this point in the game though, with as many morphs are out there now, I think this is pretty limited thinking.

There are lots of directions to go and if you're trying to make light or reduced combos then buy a light Pastel. If you're trying for darker combos wouldn't you want to cross it into darker Pastels?

Just food for thought...

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No. I disagree, personally. Pastels are suppose to be yellow. That is the trait they are best known for. Otherwise, why use it, if not for the yellow coloration?
A dark pastel for darker combos is not good either in my opinion.
A dark morph is not just dark, imo. Its combination of contrast between the colors. Contrast. For example a mojave.
It can be dark black with yellow markings. That contrast is what makes it attractive compared to a black mojave with muddy brown markings, imo. A black pastel that is black with high contrast orange markings is more desirable than one with dull brown(little to no contrast between the markings and body color).

And when that pastel is combined with the mojave for a pastave, you want that yellow to still pop. The yellow highly contrasts with the darkness of a mojave. Same goes for black pastels and cinnamon.
So I think using a bright pastel or high contrast dark morphs is important, no matter what.

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Originally Posted by dbherp

Why do Pastels only have to be used to go lighter? I would agree that years ago a brown Pastel would be basically worthless. At this point in the game though, with as many morphs are out there now, I think this is pretty limited thinking.

There are lots of directions to go and if you're trying to make light or reduced combos then buy a light Pastel. If you're trying for darker combos wouldn't you want to cross it into darker Pastels?

Just food for thought...

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No, use darker morphs intended to be dark. Pick up a Mojave or cinnamon. Heck, a BLACK pastel!

Pastel, by definition, are meant to be bright yellow. Nothing less.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

People were wondering why the thread took a while to get started and we gave a truthful answer.

Health has nothing to do with this thread. Having a healthy animal is absolutely great no matter what. But this isn't a 'who has the healthiest pastel thread'. Its a 'who has the most browned out pastel'.

And personally, I interpreted that this is a thread that is basically saying 'who has the *least* physically attractive pastel'. And while it was made for fun, I don't find winning that title to be very positive, imo.


Maybe you don't share the notion, but I would not be proud to have my animals labeled as essentially 'ugly'. Especially when I strive my hardest to breed, keep, and obtain the best examples I could find that would make me proud to have in my collection. So them being labeled as 'physically unattractive' would be downright insulting/offensive/shameful/whatever.

Just my $.02

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I can see that our views on this are probably a total opposite. But, you have your views, and I respect that, and I have mine. That said, it isn't a big deal, and isn't worthy of discussion and as I said before, this thread is more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" kind of thread.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

What is a shame is people like you thinking you're the authority, when you have two normals.

There's a reason snakes go back home with breeders at the end of expos. Can't claim prices, everyone drops prices towards the end.

Ugly animals don't sell. Except to people who can't afford the expensive nice looking ones. Or people who don't know what a pastel is.

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I'm not claiming to be authority, but I do have the right to speak my mind.
And I find it pitiful to belittle animal life because someone deems it ugly. If you couldn't already tell, this isn't the kind of thread for a prideful breeder. And as I stated before, if you aren't going to contribute to it, possibly because you don't agree with it, then you don't need to post and can just move on, since all you're doing is wasting server bandwidth by arguing over it. This thread, originally, wasn't even about the morph trade or how the pastel's involved. OP's simply asking for others to post pics of low quality and brown pastels. Those that do and were willing to share are free to share if they so feel like it.

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I can see that our views on this are probably a total opposite. But, you have your views, and I respect that, and I have mine. That said, it isn't a big deal, and isn't worthy of discussion and as I said before, this thread is more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" kind of thread.

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Just outside looking in, but you're arguing about the sun rising and Satomi is talking about clouds. Both are in the sky, but are completely different .

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I'm not claiming to be authority, but I do have the right to speak my mind.
And I find it pitiful to belittle animal life because someone deems it ugly. If you couldn't already tell, this isn't the kind of thread for a prideful breeder. And as I stated before, if you aren't going to contribute to it, possibly because you don't agree with it, then you don't need to post and can just move on, since all you're doing is wasting server bandwidth by arguing over it. This thread, originally, wasn't even about the morph trade or how the pastel's involved. OP's simply asking for others to post pics of low quality and brown pastels. Those that do and were willing to share are free to share if they so feel like it.

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If you feel belittled then you need to get some thicker skin or experience. If it's bad form to mention credibility, or in this case lack there of, then everyone just go home.

Pastel is to be bright, I'd argue it's like dogs and being so brown would disqualify it from being called so.

But by all means, argue more about browned out pastels breeding worth when you don't breed and have two normals. I'm sure a physicist wants your input on his string theory research too. Or multi universe.

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I can see that our views on this are probably a total opposite. But, you have your views, and I respect that, and I have mine. That said, it isn't a big deal, and isn't worthy of discussion and as I said before, this thread is more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" kind of thread.

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I'm not claiming to be authority, but I do have the right to speak my mind.
And I find it pitiful to belittle animal life because someone deems it ugly. If you couldn't already tell, this isn't the kind of thread for a prideful breeder. And as I stated before, if you aren't going to contribute to it, possibly because you don't agree with it, then you don't need to post and can just move on, since all you're doing is wasting server bandwidth by arguing over it.

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So it's ok that you have a right to state your opinion, but we can't because our opinion is different?
A little hypocritical isn't it?

Because really, we had an opinion and have a right to speak our minds as well.

And to be honest, I totally forgot about this thread and didn't care about it beyond my initial comment, which was explaining why the thread didn't take off initially. It was done, my word was said and I moved on. But then my post was addressed and apparently warranted further elaboration on my view. If it's not such a big deal, why keep bringing it back up? As I mentioned, beyond my first post, I left the thread completely until you addressed my post.
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We all have our likes and dislikes. While most people like a nice, bright yellow Pastel, there are those of us (me included) who prefer a softer, more golden yellow, so to me the slight browning on both of mine are perfect for me. Most people prefer a reduced pattern Lesser....not me. I chose my Lesser male specifically for his busy pattern. I prefer a more reduced pattern on the Butter...go figure. Seriously though...can't we all just get along? If you don't want to join in this type of thread...then don't put up posts that can come across as attacking others who are joining and ENJOYING the thread. Just my 2 cents. ;)

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We all have our likes and dislikes. While most people like a nice, bright yellow Pastel, there are those of us (me included) who prefer a softer, more golden yellow, so to me the slight browning on both of mine are perfect for me. Most people prefer a reduced pattern Lesser....not me. I chose my Lesser male specifically for his busy pattern. I prefer a more reduced pattern on the Butter...go figure. Seriously though...can't we all just get along? If you don't want to join in this type of thread...then don't put up posts that can come across as attacking others who are joining and ENJOYING the thread. Just my 2 cents. ;)

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My thoughts exactly :) pointless thing to argue about lol. Not even serious at all. I understand everyone's view but still, it's not a big deal.


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OMFG stop arguing already. If you want to post pictures in this thread, do it. If you think browned out pastels are below you then go post somewhere else. No one requires you to be here, and this thread is not about what standards you should hold yourself to regarding the quality of animals you have in your collection. This thread was originally a fun idea, a chance for those of us who maybe didn't do so well on our pick but still love our animals to have a little fun with it. But this last page is just making me sick.

Please allow those of us with open minds to view our animals as we wish. It is our right after all.

I'm sorry for the rant, really. But seriously, not everyone can have top-dollar animals, but we all have the right to enjoy any of them we wish. I personally love my pastel girl as she is. I may look for another one for breeding purposes next year, but if I should ever sell Mocha off, I would hope that she goes to someone who has as much respect for her as I do. Living in a state where most people are needlessly terrified of these animals and would just as soon have them all dead, I think any instance where these animals are being appreciated is a good thing, and should be encouraged. Trust me, that's much more important than striving for quality. Those who strive for quality will study their morphs and buy what they like, and having what YOU like is what this hobby is about.

So by all means, post more pics of your browns if you love them! Even brown pastels make good movie buddies!! ;)
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...26/MochaTV.jpg

This cheap little thing was $175 shipped. Make your own judgment.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/03/e8aje9yh.jpg

(she was about 1000g here)

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Just to put it out there. Just because a snake might look less attractive than others from the same clutch or even the same morph doesn't mean that they'll produce lower quality babies.

I can attest to this regarding two friends. When Enchis were first around, two people bought Enchis. One friend took the better looking one of the two and the other got the other one. When babies came around, that one that didn't look as good as the other one produces way better looking babies.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Ugly animals don't sell. Except to people who can't afford the expensive nice looking ones. Or people who don't know what a pastel is.

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Ugly animals don't sell? Where do they go? I have seen a ton of morphs and morph combos especially that I would consider far from attractive but they generate high prices solely due to their genes. And considering most breeders keep the top quality animals almost everyone is getting someone's castoff. It's an interesting world that has sprung up over morphs, you'd think the variability in them would be more appreciated.

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Ugly animals don't sell? Where do they go? I have seen a ton of morphs and morph combos especially that I would consider far from attractive but they generate high prices solely due to their genes. And considering most breeders keep the top quality animals almost everyone is getting someone's castoff. It's an interesting world that has sprung up over morphs, you'd think the variability in them would be more appreciated.

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Unfortunately, you're right. Champagnes look like trash but because people with a big name sell and like them, people still buy them.

Sure, someone is getting some bodies cast off. But that's trickle down morphs I guess. I don't want to think people do it, but how many people just cull normals? And when a snake doesn't sell, and rack space is needed? Do they drop price, give it away, or cull it? Or do they just hang on to it.

The variable in morphs is well represented here, some people for some reason likes brown pastels. While there are others who strive for high yellow pastels.

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After see what my browned out 0.1 Pastel produced I would never entertain the thought of not using her again for a quality breeding combo....

0.1 Pastel on eggs.....

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...psb028c068.jpg

0.1 Pastave. Head blushing, flames and yellow look pretty good to me.....

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps25c1ff53.jpg

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After see what my browned out 0.1 Pastel produced I would never entertain the thought of not using her again for a quality breeding combo....

0.1 Pastel on eggs.....

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...psb028c068.jpg

0.1 Pastave. Head blushing, flames and yellow look pretty good to me.....

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps25c1ff53.jpg

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Yeah, but.

How much of that is the Mojave male you used? You don't have to answer, I'll stop now.

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After see what my browned out 0.1 Pastel produced I would never entertain the thought of not using her again for a quality breeding combo....

0.1 Pastel on eggs.....



0.1 Pastave. Head blushing, flames and yellow look pretty good to me.....

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Have you bred her in past seasons? And if so, do her babies keep their color?

She was a first year breeder. There is no way anyone can guarantee that a nice looking hatchling from spectacular parents will look good as an adult.... period.

Dad is nothing special....

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps875eac6e.jpg

I just wasted my time reading all of that nonsense... Just put up your pics and comment on them. This forum is (Ball python pictures)