Line down belly???

I have 2 spider females that is 100% het for albino and I breed one to a lesser pastel and another to a albino pinstripe. I think that they are sisters but not sure I bought them off kingsnake. Anyways the one breed to the albino pin is doing great and showing good sign of being gravid the one breed to lesser pastel is acting weird she is being very slow at moving and tongue Flicker is slow and keeps it out. And I've noticed that she has a line down her belly that I've never seen before. Anyone have a clue what is going on. And it doesn't look like she has a uri because her mouth looks normal and no excess saliva.

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Can we get a full body picture?

I'm worried by the look of her skin and think she might want to see a good vet.

Yeah, I don't like the looks of her skin. I'd head straight to the vet. :(

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The first half of her body is covered in stuck shed and the positioning of her lower jaw is highly abnormal. She needs to get to the vet, that looks like either a mouth infection or an abcess, either of which could end up killing her.

There's no reptile vets around my area the closest one is 2.5 hours away

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There's no reptile vets around my area the closest one is 2.5 hours away

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Well I would be going for a drive then. What else are you going to do? Nothing? There is definitely something wrong with her. That mouth is not right. She needs to see a vet, imo.

How long have you had these females?

I've had them about 3 months

Why would you breed anything without having a vet near you specializing in said animal?
That's one of the most ill looking ball pythons I've ever seen, especially in that last picture.


I'm going to agree with the person who said abscess or infection, it might even be a fungus from the looks of her belly. Either way, you can't treat that at home, and you really should make the drive out there. Having pets means taking necessary sacrifices, especially if you're breeding them.
If that was my snake, I would either take her to the vet, or give her up to someone who could, there's no way I would just leave her like that.



I don't want to sound mean, but this thread is very upsetting.

Were they like this when you got them?

No the other one is perfect

Husbandry? I agree with abcess or RI, these could both be down to many reasons but mainly due to bad husbandry. If i were you I would put on a jumper and drive to a vet!!!

I plan on taking her to a vet. And I take great care of my animals as in husbandry she is the ONLY one that is like this and I've been doing this for over a year

Husbandry???

I think the line down her belly is the least of your worries... I'd get her to a vet sooner than later.
I'm somewhat amazed that the line is your concern

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the one breed to lesser pastel is acting weird she is being very slow at moving and tongue Flicker is slow and keeps it out. And I've noticed that she has a line down her belly that I've never seen before. Anyone have a clue what is going on. And it doesn't look like she has a uri because her mouth looks normal and no excess saliva.

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If you thought she looked normal besides the belly scar you might want to have someone check on your other snakes as well. You've been doing this a year - that's about how long I quarantine new snakes before they even make it to the reptile room. Hope she makes a full recovery for you.

She was quarantined for a month and no signs of this till after she breed to my male

Ok lets pull back to fixing problems. :)

Does her mouth always sit at that slightly open angle or is it simply a result of you holding her like that?

Can you put her in a humid bath ( no more than half an inch deep and no hotter than 86f ) and try and get the stuck shed off?

Once that's done we can see if she has any underlying problems remaining.

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This is without me holding her and I'm soaking her now to get the shed off

Her mouth still looks kind of bad. And no weezing or mucus or anything?

Later

I think it is a uri now, I got her shed off and she's weezing and showing more than normal mucus in her mouth probably because our weather here is going cold one day and warm the next so I put her in solitary confinement with a 93-95 hot spot and she has just been breed so I think it's stress mostly

What is your husbandry like? Temps? Humidity? How are you testing temps?

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Freedom breeder cb70 rack, newspaper, 82-87 hot-spot (breeding season) 91-93 normally, room temperature is 75-78 until breeding season is over, 40-50 humidity until they go into shed then keep it up by spraying water to up it, temperature gun and gauges in every other level... I take great pride in giving them a good environment

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She was quarantined for a month and no signs of this till after she breed to my male

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Not even close to long enough, though it doesn't matter now as your whole collection has been exposed. DO NOT introduce any animals for at least the next SIX MONTHS and hope this is the least of your problems.

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Freedom breeder cb70 rack, newspaper, 82-87 hot-spot (breeding season) 91-93 normally, room temperature is 75-78 until breeding season is over, 40-50 humidity until they go into shed then keep it up by spraying water to up it, temperature gun and gauges in every other level... I take great pride in giving them a good environment

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Why are you dropping temps? There is no need to.

Whoa... you've only had them 3 months? She should still have been in qt. You shouldnt have been breeding her yet. Good chance the rest of your collection is gonna get sick. :( And I also can't believe out of all that, that the line is your biggest concern...:confused:

Yeah, I know the person who had her and she is in great health

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Yeah, I know the person who had her and she is in great health

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Um what do you consider great health?

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I have over 70 and this is the only one like this... I think I'm doing something right. Her sister is perfectly fine with no health problems at all

One month QT is a bad idea no matter how many snakes you have. With over 70 specimens I am surprised you would run such a wild risk. The pictures of that snake are horrible, she is in need of veterinary assistance. Looks like stuck shed/dry skin, URI, possible mouth rot. Have you checked inside her mouth for "cheese?"

I got her stuck shed off that's why the picture looks bad and if you look at the last pic I posted the jaw isn't that bad it must be the way I was holding her. I talked to the guy I got her from and he assured me that she would be fine putting in with others when I got her but I did a qt for a shorter time than most of you think I should have but every one around her are perfectly fine I just checked them all well.

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Yeah, I know the person who had her and she is in great health

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I have over 70 and this is the only one like this... I think I'm doing something right. Her sister is perfectly fine with no health problems at all

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Dude I am not trying to bash you but this was a bad move/risk on your part. She "WAS" in good health when you got her so it is either 1: pre-existing Or 2: you did something wrong, either way there is a good chance you are going to have more problems.
Consider all 70 in QT now. FYI I could care less if you have 1 or 1000, neither impress me because you still took a gamble on a way to short QT. I have a couple really close friends that I trade with and they still get a 90 day QT. I have too much investment to roll the dice on.
Put your temps up to 95 and get her to your vet asap.

BTW she was fine 30 days ago too.

Are you going to take someone else's word for it? And jeopardize your others? I can't believe with 70 that your qt protocol is that slack... Maybe I'm obsessive/anal, with only 11, but I worry bringing anyone new in. I don't like having one in qt. I ALWAYS worry about my others.

Even if you got the stuck shed off she still needs to see a vet. Something is not right with her mouth. I wouldn't have even thought about breeding a snake in that condition.

Crystal rose.. She was not like this before I breed her

That means something happened while she was under your care. And the general consensus is that it wasn't very good care. Just take her to a vet please. For her sake.

Well then how did she get like this?

I plan on it.

My concern is that even in the first photo where she is on the newspaper (above the one where you are holding her), her jaw is not closed properly, so it is not a question of how she was being held. This may have nothing to do with breeding, prior health issues, or the length of QT (though I do not condone a 30 day QT). If she somehow damaged the inside of her mouth while feeding, the naturally present bacteria could have taken hold and developed an abscess or this may be swelling from a less localized infection. Regardless she needs medical intervention (and probably heavy antibiotics) at this point, if that swelling gets worse it could compromise her airway, or the infection (whether URI or abscess or whatever that is) goes systemic, she could die.

I would like to thank everyone for the advice for my snake but I am saddened to say that she passed away last night. This is hard for me to accept because I put everything into them for their health and care and this is my first one to die on me.

RIP SPIDER HET ALBINO

I'm sorry you lost her. :(

I just dont understand it she is in a tub beside her sister eats rats from the same colony just breed to a different male and the others he breed to are fine and healthy and she took last year off and her sister laid this year

I'm sorry for your loss: I would highly recommend a necropsy. Since she was paired and in direct contact with one snake and not really QT'd from your other 70 snakes I think it's a MUST to find out why she passed and if she had a illness/disease that all your other snakes could have now. Snakes need to be put in the fridge, not the freezer, for a necro. Some vets will also allow you to overnight the body to their office if you cannot drive so that may be an option too. Good luck: I hope for your other snakes' sake this was an isolated incident.

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I just dont understand it she is in a tub beside her sister eats rats from the same colony just breed to a different male and the others he breed to are fine and healthy and she took last year off and her sister laid this year

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That sucks and I am sorry.
She had something going on so I would also getting a necropsy to determine IF you have to worry about everyone else or not?
These things can happen quickly, that is the reason for such a long QT time.
I am sorry again and hope this is the end of your problems.

Sorry man, that sucks :(
I would definitely go with a necrospy

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Can any vet do that?

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Can any vet do that?

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I would try to get it done by a herp vet if possible. I am not sure a regular vet would even know what to look for. Sorry for your loss.

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Can any vet do that?

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Some of the exotic vets do them by mail, you'd need to chill and fedex the remains.