Sugar or Calico?or just a normal?

I can get this girl, sold as a "sugar", but i don't see any white on the pics.The price is more the calico price than the sugar usual price... 300 euros.
She's 4 monthes old; 200 grams.

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The seller says that "it's a sugar, cause of the pattern...."

Would you buy it???

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I don't see sugar at all.

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You're right, I don't see calico or sugar at all. If it actually is one, it's a poor example.

Yeah no sugar/cali either. Not so sure its a normal either though. Would like to see better pictures.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Yeah no sugar/cali either. Not so sure its a normal either though. Would like to see better pictures.

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Agreed. Would be a very interesting pattern for a normal..

Don't see sugar/calico. I wouldn't buy it

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The Seller said she gonna get some more white getting older...
I ll pass on that one.Thanks guys :)

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That is very possibly a young, very low white sugar. It does kind of have the look of one.

The back half kind of says low white sugar to me. Terrible pics though. I would definitely pass on her...

Looks like a low white sugar example to me.

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Sorry I don't think this snake is a sugar or calico but I agree a better picture is required to help answer your question. If it is anything maybe a low quality calico, if it was me I would hold out for a sugar or calico characteristics of the gene visually showing. Just my opinion hoe this helped.


LMAO so sorry....hope* :D

I personally see a -low quality- sugar/calico but I would pass in a heartbeat.

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Just my opinion hoe

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There's no need for name calling...:P

and howdy neighbor! I'm in DC as well... :)

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I personally see a -low quality- sugar/calico but I would pass in a heartbeat.

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This ^

I can "barely" see what would make me think sugar. Hence not a great example at all. I would keep looking.

it will make a good pet for someone :)

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I 100% see calico/sugar. But it's poor quality that I would never consider

I might see the sugar in it. You all say pass on it, but can a low sugar pass on better sugar in future generations? I too would pass for a better animal but wondered if it is worth trying at the right price.

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Originally Posted by Starsnake

I might see the sugar in it. You all say pass on it, but can a low sugar pass on better sugar in future generations? I too would pass for a better animal but wondered if it is worth trying at the right price.

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The white is random, like in Pieds. So yes, a low white can produce a high white.

However you have to consider the color, blushing, and pattern of the snake as well. Not just the white.

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I see a calico/sugar, but not a very nice one.

Man my eyes must be a lot worse than I thought, 'cause I don't see anything that even remotely resembles a calico or sugar of even the lowest expression in that snake.

It's a pretty reduced pattern normal with great blushing. I have two myself. But a sugar? Not in this lifetime. I've seen low expression sugars, some so low if I didn't know the breeder and the look I'd swear they weren't, but this thing don't got the look.

And if by some miracle it were a sugar? You couldn't PAY me to get that snake as a sugar. Not even if you gave me 5 grand would I take that snake as a sugar.

Of course, it isn't up to me. Opinions expressed in this post are strictly those of the author and in no way constitute anything set in stone. If you think it might be a sugar and the price is right for you, then by all means if it is what you want, buy it.

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The only place I could possibly (and I am reaching on this one) is down near the tail. Looks like there are a few white specs there. Having said that I would pass for a better, more sure example myself

I see a low white Calico all day..

What was the pairing?

Could be a decent Sugar/Calico Fire. Belly shot would help.

Here is my Sugar Fire....

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I see low white sugar/calico. I agree with everyone else its not a good example. I wouldn't buy.

Low whites will produce high whites and visa versa. I personally have both high white and low white calicos and sugars. Sometimes depending on the amount of color and pattern on the low white calico it may appeal to me more than a highlight. It's just going to depend on what you as the buyer like an animal if it's a calico and you like the look of the animal then buy it. But if you're looking for an animal that just screams typical example of the mutation then that one's not really your best bet.

i like low white piebalds and high white piebalds, and i like high white calicos. i dont like low white calicos. looking at the thread, i can see i am not the only one.

just for the off chance that some epigenetics or some polygenetic traits do somehow play a role, i would treat this one as a normal, while i can see that it is a calico, like, a really bad calico. like, (made-up example) out of a 9 egg clutch you get 4 calicos and the worst one is this. and the best one is picked by the breeder as a holdback for the future. and the two in the middle still have a decent amount of white and get picked up as a pet or as breeders. and we are talking abot number 4, and some people do not even see calico and wonder if it even is one.

im sorry. if you want a calico, this BP is not what you want. i posted a good example on page two. sure, the amount of white does have randomness to it. still, this one heavily conflicts with a rule of thumb that goes like: "breed the best examples of the morph, do not breed the worst examples of the morph", or something like that. just look at the other responses: either its a really very bad calico, or its a normal with some granite-look. or its just a normal.

EDIT: pictures of the parent snakes would help a lot, really.

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Low whites will produce high whites and visa versa. I personally have both high white and low white calicos and sugars. Sometimes depending on the amount of color and pattern on the low white calico it may appeal to me more than a highlight. It's just going to depend on what you as the buyer like an animal if it's a calico and you like the look of the animal then buy it. But if you're looking for an animal that just screams typical example of the mutation then that one's not really your best bet.

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^ This. White is not the only indicator of a calico/sugar. The pattern and highlights around the pattern on the back half of the snake are definitely calico/sugar. Decent pictures would give a better idea of the color quality. Level of white is a matter of personal preference.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

^ This. White is not the only indicator of a calico/sugar. The pattern and highlights around the pattern on the back half of the snake are definitely calico/sugar. Decent pictures would give a better idea of the color quality. Level of white is a matter of personal preference.

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I have a low white calico, but she looks far from normal. A good
Calico/sugar can be a pattern changer as well as have bright orange colorations and outlining. Amount of white is definitely *not* the only trait of a calico/sugar.

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I passed on this deal, i'll wait for a better one, i don't like high white piedballs, but when i see the high white calicos/Sugars i want one.
There's not a lot of good calicos/sugar at the moment other here (except if you have lot of $) so i'll wait for a reptile show or a better opportunity .Lot of people are selling those kind of bad calicos as hatchling, and they say "the white 's gonna come as they aged", etc...
I got myself some other snakes for chrismas : a male cinnamon, a female 100% het clown and an orange ghost male for around the same price...