Baby monocled cobra (suphan)

One of my recent acquisitions. I'm not actually sure if I like her or not lol, I'm not an admirer of morphs.

But I was given her for free, so I can't complain!

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Awesome. Love the stance

Gorgeous! So cute!


If I were to get into hots, this is the snake that gets me in.

Im not personally into hots but boy have you got an amazing snake there

Oh ya and whoever said on the is my snake blind post "if there eyes are slited they are venemous and if round they are not" take this snake as an example, you dont want to go messing with cobras under the impression they are some constrictor.

That is awesome!

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Originally Posted by dgring

Im not personally into hots but boy have you got an amazing snake there

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Originally Posted by Herpenthusiast3

That is awesome!

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Originally Posted by bruster

Awesome. Love the stance

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Pyrate81

Gorgeous! So cute!

If I were to get into hots, this is the snake that gets me in.

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It is rather cute. Um, i will probably sell this before it's an adult, a lot of monocled cobras I've seen as adults rarely hood up - pointless. Better to go for one of the more cranky species, like samarensis :) They look better too in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by dgring

Oh ya and whoever said on the is my snake blind post "if there eyes are slited they are venemous and if round they are not" take this snake as an example, you dont want to go messing with cobras under the impression they are some constrictor.

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I think that quote must have come from a country/area where they do not have elapids.

Awesome little snake. But I thought that suphan was a geographic varient not a morph exactly. It's a shame that they don't often hood as adults. Maybe you'll get lucky and this once will be a jerk it's whole life lol.

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Originally Posted by jason_ladouceur

Awesome little snake. But I thought that suphan was a geographic varient not a morph exactly. It's a shame that they don't often hood as adults. Maybe you'll get lucky and this once will be a jerk it's whole life lol.

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Indeed it is, but i still think of it as a morph haha. Hopefully i can swap it with someone for a baby forest cobra in March at a show in Germany :)

But then i know i will feel bad, so i will probably end up keeping it, until it's an adult and not cute looking, then i will get rid of it lol.

Very gorgeous! Obtaining a monocled is my first goal out of keeping non-natives. I just love the way they look.

Omg sooo adorable! Ive heard from many hot keepers over the years that seeing a baby cobra hood up for the first time is one of the cutest things ever.

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Very pretty. Suphans are a naturally occurring color type so I wouldn't call them a morph.

N.samarensis are crazy. If they were 6ft instead of 3 ft, we would have evolved from them instead of primates.

beautiful animal!

Omg she's so cute! I love her little hood and her feisty little stance. What an amazing animal!


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Originally Posted by smalltimeballz

Very gorgeous! Obtaining a monocled is my first goal out of keeping non-natives. I just love the way they look.

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Go for a spectacled cobra, they look nicer :)

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

Omg sooo adorable! Ive heard from many hot keepers over the years that seeing a baby cobra hood up for the first time is one of the cutest things ever.

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Thanks, yeah it is cute lol. But she's quite shy at the moment, so tends to just 'run' off, rather than hood.

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Originally Posted by Najakeeper

Very pretty. Suphans are a naturally occurring color type so I wouldn't call them a morph.

N.samarensis are crazy. If they were 6ft instead of 3 ft, we would have evolved from them instead of primates.

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Thanks, yeah they are, but i still consider them a morph as you get het suphan's, etc. Either way, it wasn't the way they're supposed to look :) They look worse like this in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

Omg she's so cute! I love her little hood and her feisty little stance. What an amazing animal!
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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

beautiful animal!

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Thanks.

You don't seem to really like your pet...

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Originally Posted by dgring

You don't seem to really like your pet...

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Haha! I'm 50/50. I do like it because it's cute, but i don't like the colour so much. Personal preference and all that, still get treated like any other animal i own - the best of everything :)

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Originally Posted by Najakeeper

Very pretty. Suphans are a naturally occurring color type so I wouldn't call them a morph.

N.samarensis are crazy. If they were 6ft instead of 3 ft, we would have evolved from them instead of primates.

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Oh, i also meant to say, samarensis are perfect for me, i prefer very defensive snakes! Keeps you on your toes.

I don't know much about hots. I myself will never have the guts to keep them. Just out of curiosity, Is this little one a venomoid? I think I'm stating that correctly. What I'm asking is whether or not he/she still has it's venom glands.

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Originally Posted by Herpenthusiast3

I don't know much about hots. I myself will never have the guts to keep them. Just out of curiosity, Is this little one a venomoid? I think I'm stating that correctly. What I'm asking is whether or not he/she still has it's venom glands.

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I would guess not. Most people 'round these parts don't take kindly to hot snakes that have had their venom glands and ducts removed.

I'm guessing it's as hot as a wood stove full of hickory with the damper wide open!

That post went strangely redneck lol.


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Originally Posted by Crotalids

Thanks, yeah they are, but i still consider them a morph as you get het suphan's, etc. Either way, it wasn't the way they're supposed to look :) They look worse like this in my opinion.

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Not liking something is a personal choice but something being natural or not is a different matter. "It wasn't the way they're supposed to look." is a bold statement as everything used to look different at one point, right? Bone colored Suphan Cobras survive/thrive in the wild and that is enough for me to consider them a viable natural option.

I applaud your bravery with N.samarensis. They are my favorite cobra species but I really can not deal with the explosiveness. I also hate to wear goggles in my snake room. I was spat on by a N.pallida a few years ago so I know how "not wearing eye protection" feels like. ;)

We still call albino a morph in ball pythons, and it (among other morphs) can occur naturally in the wild.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

We still call albino a morph in ball pythons, and it (among other morphs) can occur naturally in the wild.

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Yes, a lot of morphs including albinos are naturally occurring but not abundant as they cannot survive in the wild due to camouflage issues. Suphans on the other hand are quite abundant in their white form in nature so they are usually called a color variety rather than a morph.

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Yes, a lot of morphs including albinos are naturally occurring but not abundant as they cannot survive in the wild due to camouflage issues. Suphans on the other hand are quite abundant in their white form in nature so they are usually called a color variety rather than a morph.

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Its the same thing, morph is not exclusive to captivity. Some would argue that they find "adult" morphs.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Its the same thing, morph is not exclusive to captivity. Some would argue that they find "adult" morphs.

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I agree but it is an abundance issue really. Yes, you may find one albino Ball Python in Africa among tens of thousands of specimens, that has managed to survive until adulthood but bone colored Suphans are a big part of the population in their native range.

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Originally Posted by Herpenthusiast3

I don't know much about hots. I myself will never have the guts to keep them. Just out of curiosity, Is this little one a venomoid? I think I'm stating that correctly. What I'm asking is whether or not he/she still has it's venom glands.

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Most definitely not lol. If you can't handle the animal the way nature intended it to be, don't keep it :)

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Originally Posted by Najakeeper

Not liking something is a personal choice but something being natural or not is a different matter. "It wasn't the way they're supposed to look." is a bold statement as everything used to look different at one point, right? Bone colored Suphan Cobras survive/thrive in the wild and that is enough for me to consider them a viable natural option.

I applaud your bravery with N.samarensis. They are my favorite cobra species but I really can not deal with the explosiveness. I also hate to wear goggles in my snake room. I was spat on by a N.pallida a few years ago so I know how "not wearing eye protection" feels like. ;)

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That's true.

I also hate wearing goggles, i have to wear them for my siamensis! I've worked a lot with Bothrops asper, moojeni and atrox - so I am used to snakes being crazy :)

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We still call albino a morph in ball pythons, and it (among other morphs) can occur naturally in the wild.

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Yes, a lot of morphs including albinos are naturally occurring but not abundant as they cannot survive in the wild due to camouflage issues. Suphans on the other hand are quite abundant in their white form in nature so they are usually called a color variety rather than a morph.

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Its the same thing, morph is not exclusive to captivity. Some would argue that they find "adult" morphs.

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I agree but it is an abundance issue really. Yes, you may find one albino Ball Python in Africa among tens of thousands of specimens, that has managed to survive until adulthood but bone colored Suphans are a big part of the population in their native range.

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I think they're all morphs if i am honest, as it's a genetic defect that caused the animal to become that colour. I don't know, I'm not expert on how people differentiate between a locality phase and a morph. Maybe it depends on whether you know the genetics of the animal?

I will copy this from another forum:

The difference is subtle.

Color phases are generally reasonably common in the wild. They may be linked to a particular locality, but this is not a hard and fast requirement. And usually the genetics is unknown. For example, the Okeetee phase of the corn snake was originally linked to the Okeetee Hunt Club and the surrounding area in southeastern South Carolina in the USA, though other populations of unusually red corn snakes have been found elsewhere. It was popularized around 60 years ago. The genetics is unknown at this time, as far as I know. There has been enough crossbreeding with more normal looking corns that the coloration seems unlikely to be caused by a mutant gene at a single gene locus.

Morphs are usually rare in the wild. A captive population may originate with only a single individual. The genetics may be worked out within a few years of discovery. A morph is usually the result of a mutant gene at one gene locus. A designer morph is generally produced by the interaction of mutant genes at several gene loci. Morphs include the pied ball python, albino boa constrictor, and many others.

The striped phase California king snake is most commonly found in southern California. It has been known for something like 150 years, and the genetics was unknown until captive breeding experiments were carried out around 1980. Those results indicated that the striped phase was the result of a dominant mutant gene at a single gene locus. Striped could be classed as either a phase or a morph.

A yellow phase green tree python is yellow as a baby and turns green with age. A red phase green tree python is reddish as a baby and turns green with age. The color change to green has nothing to do with what color phase the snake is. I have seen both phases hatch from a single clutch of eggs, so IMO, the phases are the result of different genes at a single gene locus. But as far as I know, the genetics has not been worked out yet.

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Originally Posted by Crotalids

Most definitely not lol. If you can't handle the animal the way nature intended it to be, don't keep it :)

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That's awesome. Respect.

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Originally Posted by Herpenthusiast3

That's awesome. Respect.

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Thanks :)

They are incredibly beatiful, sadly in Italy we can't breed venomous beacuse they are illegal, but knowing how Italians are maybe this could be a fortune

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