100% Het. Pied 0.1 Opinions?

Hello, Im new to the forum but wanted to get some opinions on a "supposed" 100% Het. Pied female. Im mostly interested in the very odd yellow color sections along her dorsal pattern. Iv'e attempted to find similar color markings on other BP's but haven't had any luck. What do you guys think? Thanks in advance!http://gallery.connectedbypets.com/d...4_19.06.14.pnghttp://gallery.connectedbypets.com/d...4_19.08.48.png

Here is my 66% het pied female I got from JKobylka Reptiles, if you want something to compare to.

BTW I'm not real sure what your actual question is..

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...pse48bba90.jpg

Thanks for your reply and the pic. Im mostly interested in finding out if the yellow patches can be markers for het. pieds? Since I have never seen colorations on a "normal" I'm assuming they have some connection to the snakes genetics. Is that possible? or might there be some other genetics involved with this specimen?

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Originally Posted by Justgettingby22

Thanks for your reply and the pic. Im mostly interested in finding out if the yellow patches can be markers for het. pieds? Since I have never seen colorations on a "normal" I'm assuming they have some connection to the snakes genetics. Is that possible? or might there be some other genetics involved with this specimen?

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Honestly I'm not sure. I don't want to give you any wrong info. There are too many people that know way more than I do.

I thought that might have been what you were asking which is why I uploaded the pic of mine. Justin at Jkobylka Reptiles says mine is 66% hetpiebald.

What I am still trying to figure out is what is the difference between 66% and 100%?

Well as far as I know is that 66% hets are considered possible het. where as 100% het. snakes are definite carries of the given genetics. Please correct me if I'm wrong though!

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Originally Posted by Justgettingby22

Well as far as I know is that 66% hets are considered possible het. where as 100% het. snakes are definite carries of the given genetics. Please correct me if I'm wrong though!

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No you are probably right! Just wondering wouldn't the marker's be the same?

Once again I could be wrong, but with het. pieds the markers can be extremely varying. From "train tracks" to "ringers" it can be all over the place, I'm hoping my snake fits in there somewhere with her unusual marks though!

Markers are not a guarantee. The best way to make sure you actually have a het is to get it from a very reputable breeder or if you produce one yourself. There is no way to be 100% sure if its het pied by just looking at it.

Maybe between My picture and yours someone who has a lot of experience in pieds can identify some markers

Thanks for the reply! Thats what iv'e come to understand as well, but haven't ever seen any yellow color patches such as the ones on this female, I wish i could capture just how vibrant the marks really are. Just wondering if they are significant for anything? Or if they are just kind of an odd thing but nothing beyond that? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by led-zep

Maybe between My picture and yours someone who has a lot of experience in pieds can identify some markers

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Do you have a pic of the belly?

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Originally Posted by led-zep

Honestly I'm not sure. I don't want to give you any wrong info. There are too many people that know way more than I do.

I thought that might have been what you were asking which is why I uploaded the pic of mine. Justin at Jkobylka Reptiles says mine is 66% hetpiebald.

What I am still trying to figure out is what is the difference between 66% and 100%?

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100% het means that the animal is a carrier of the recessive gene, where a 66% het only has a 66% chance of carrying the gene. The 66% is a gamble of weither or not it will carry the gene.

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

Do you have a pic of the belly?

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Apologize for high jacking someone elses thread.

Here is a crappy iphone pic. She didn't wanna be still


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Originally Posted by EAC Reptiles

100% het means that the animal is a carrier of the recessive gene, where a 66% het only has a 66% chance of carrying the gene. The 66% is a gamble of weither or not it will carry the gene.

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gotcha. Thanks

Oh no your fine! We are interested in the same thing so its not an issue. The belly on my snake unfortunately has the typical black markings scattered across it, with no solid white area, also the "tracks" are non-visable.

Well the train tracks isnt a sure way to tell. Did you get it from a breeder?

Looks like she has some pigment loss, this sometimes happens randomly with some snakes. Here's a thread about this with some good links in post #9 (at the bottom) to other snakes that went through some color changes.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...t=pigment+loss

I did, I took her in on a very advantageous trade. Didn't get any paper work but was told that she had been proven out with a pied male, but to me she is way to small to be a breeder yet, so her genetics are def. up in the air.

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

Well the train tracks isnt a sure way to tell. Did you get it from a breeder?

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Mine came from JKobylka. This is my first snake from him but I hear he is a very good breeder??

Thank you for the reply! That could be part of the answer here.

Yes Justin Kobylka is a great person to work with but he sold you the snake as 66% het. I meant if you bought a any 100% het its better to buy from a reputable breeder.

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Originally Posted by led-zep

Mine came from JKobylka. This is my first snake from him but I hear he is a very good breeder??

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Yes, Justin has a very solid reputation. But, the snake you bought from him is only possibly het for pied. So you didn't pay for a het pied, and are taking the chance that the snake does not carry the gene. This is info is all up front when he lists the animal as "66% pied." Hope this helps. Good looking snake either way.

I understand that. And even if she doesn't prove out it's no big deal. I just figured he was a lot better than most at picking out the possible Hets? maybe I'm wrong?

It depends. If you talk to a breeder specifically about it then he will pick the one he might think has the best chance to prove out. If you just buy a 66% het the breeder might just grab a random 66% het and send it.

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

It depends. If you talk to a breeder specifically about it then he will pick the one he might think has the best chance to prove out. If you just buy a 66% het the breeder might just grab a random 66% het and send it.

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Awesome!Thanks for the info

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Looks like she has some pigment loss, this sometimes happens randomly with some snakes. Here's a thread about this with some good links in post #9 (at the bottom) to other snakes that went through some color changes.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...t=pigment+loss

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This definitely looks like what this girl has! Found a very similar case, seems to match pretty well. Thank you!

When did her color change?

Im not certain, if they even did at all. I was told by the previous owner that she has always had these colors.

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Originally Posted by Justgettingby22

Hello, Im new to the forum but wanted to get some opinions on a "supposed" 100% Het. Pied female. Im mostly interested in the very odd yellow color sections along her dorsal pattern. Iv'e attempted to find similar color markings on other BP's but haven't had any luck. What do you guys think? Thanks in advance!http://gallery.connectedbypets.com/d...4_19.06.14.pnghttp://gallery.connectedbypets.com/d...4_19.08.48.png

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Sorry - Can't see any Pied gene markers from here

Re: The bright patches...
it's where an animal has shed 'early', and extra pigmentation (more than usual) has come off with the shed
nearly always reverts back to its normal colour over the next 2-3 sheds

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Originally Posted by led-zep

Here is my 66% het pied female I got from JKobylka Reptiles, if you want something to compare to.

BTW I'm not real sure what your actual question is..

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...pse48bba90.jpg

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I'd bet my hat she is a het :)

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Originally Posted by alan1

I'd bet my hat she is a het :)

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I'm hoping so. Although I got her paired with a YB het pied also (if you can see what Im shooting for here, lol) so if she's not hopefully at least he is.

She was hissing and nipping right outa the bag so just maybe a good sign! 😉

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Originally Posted by led-zep

I'm hoping so. Although I got her paired with a YB het pied also (if you can see what Im shooting for here, lol) so if she's not hopefully at least he is.

She was hissing and nipping right outa the bag so just maybe a good sign! 

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But if she isnt het then you cant prove that the male is. Not with that pairing at least.