new and in need of advice. please help.

I'm possibly buying a 2800 gram female proven het albino that may also be het pied. The guy I'm getting her from said she hooked up to his male pied three times so far and she should be good to go. Its december 11th today. I gues she hooked up three times in one week last week. Is this enough? Should I keep breeding her till feb/march? The problem is I have no pied males and he is moving away next week so do you guys think she's good to go or do I need to find a stud?

Anyone?

Its really impossible to know, all anyone could do is guess

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It's impossible to say if she is pregnant or not. If you want a guarantee, you'll have to keep trying. Hopefully you can find another pied.

Just remember if you do pair her with something other than visual pied you wont be able to claim the normal hatchlings are poss het pied. The problem with a double sire clutch when recessive is involved. It could only take one lock to make a female go. But it can also take more. Its all kind of up in the air...

Good luck to you.

as i gather it there are two ways:

one is to just keep trying and trying until she really is developing eggs.

the other, used by some advanced breeders, is to use ultrasound machines to regularly measure the follicle size. then you only pair when the follicle size is just right. its really advanced, because the machine is expensive and using it to get correct measurements of follicle size takes skill and experience.

both strategies seem valid, because some of the really big and professional breeders use one way and others use the other way.

Even if you ultrasound and see follicles it's no guarantee that she will ovulate and lay viable eggs. Here are your best options as I see them if you get her:

A. Do nothing, she might lay fertile eggs from the pied male. There are examples on the forum of females who have retained sperm for 12 months or more, having been paired so recently her odds aren't that long.

B. If you want to prove her out as het pied, either take option A or get a visual pied male to go with her and continue pairing until she lays (or doesn't, they do what they want to do, not what we want them to do).

C. If you don't care about proving her out as het pied, use a male with some kind of non-recessive super genes (super pastel, super fire etc.) so you'll be able to tell which babies are his in the event of a dual sired clutch.

D. Use any male you want (I would vote albino if selecting this option), but any wild type (visually normal) babies cannot be sold as hets (other than 50% pos het albino on mom's side).

So would I increase my chances by allot I'd I keep breeding her? She hooked up four times to that male. But is it to early in the season to stop breeding?

It's impossible to say either way, if I even tried to guess the odds I'd just be making stuff up. She might be just fine with the locks that have already taken place, she might get stressed from moving and not lay at all. It's really up to her.

Ok so how many times do you guys let the males and females hook up a season?
Thank you guys allot for the help

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Originally Posted by jessern

Ok so how many times do you guys let the males and females hook up a season?
Thank you guys allot for the help

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I will continue to introduce my males to my females until I'm 100% sure the female is pregnant.

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Originally Posted by Soterios

I will continue to introduce my males to my females until I'm 100% sure the female is pregnant.

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^^^this. And also, they only need about one lock per month. We like to get about 1 lock every 3 weeks just to be sure. But 1 could be more than enough with some girls...

Let me guess you are buying this snake from the Hampton Roads area of VA. This snake is not pos het pied. It was bought as a proven het albino a few months ago. The person that bought it is just starting in BP's and saw some markers on the snake and started calling it 100% het albino pos het pied. I told him it was shady to say that not knowing if the breeding that produced it had the pied gene. He then sold it or traded it to the person that you are dealing with. I think the guy you are dealing with was misled when he acquired the snake but I told him the story of the snake when I saw him post it on Craigslist as a 100% double het. Whatever you decide to do make sure you quarantine the snake. If you get it you will be atleast the fourth owner in less than 3 months.

Zeus check your pm please. This snake is a gift for my daughter she wants babies this year and I love that she is obsessed with the hobby. I sold off my small collection when she was 9 due to deployment to Afghanistan. And she has wanted to get a collection of her own ever since. I made her research for months before I bought her the first. A lemon pastel female. She then wanted a "white morph" but I can't afford one so I got her a th male and would later get an ivory female. She doesn't care if the 2800 gram female is for sure het pied cause if the breeding takes all her babies will be. But however "I" do x are if its for sure 100% het albino and that its a proven breeder. Any info you have on the snake that the seller may not have or was misinformed about would be great. He has been honest and helpful to a fault. But if he was lied to to begin with than the info is dirty. I know he can't help what some previous seller told him. I've been in that boat before too. Like in 2004 my het victories grew up to produce albino hatching! I was passed. But at that time the yb was pretty new and info on them was not readily available... it sucked!

That's het ivory not victory! Damn auto correct.... haha they weren't known as yellowbelly at the time they were concidered hets. I never did get an ivory... its like my great white buffalo! Haha.