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  • 12-10-2013, 07:42 AM
    PitOnTheProwl
    Noticing a trend here.................
    I don't know is I'm just getting cranky in my old age or its this money grubbing time of year that I hate oh so much BUT on to my reason for this post.

    I have seen a lot of advice posted that can be questionable to many of our well respected members.
    New members need to keep a couple things in mind when surfing this great site.
    Screen names are just that, chosen names that members make up and may not reflect on the REAL life persona.
    Any and all advice that you read here does not mean you should take matters into your own hands and bypass a vet visit.
    Whatever actions that YOU take upon your own free will is your responsibility to own the ending results of your actions.
    The web is a huge place full of knowledge AND a lot of smelly opinions because just like one, we all have the other.

    That being said, it is fine to regurgitate information that you have read and know for a fact that it is good advice.
    However if you are new to the hobby and only going by what a friend or a friend said or have no experience with the topic on hand I have a great idea for you.
    Tag the post to watch it, if you post keep it on topic, and like I tell my kid.......... shut your mouth and open your ears, you will learn a lot more.

    Reading the posts and keeping your mind open, you will also start to see which members are worth their weight and who is a warm puff of smelly air.
  • 12-10-2013, 09:13 AM
    DooLittle
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    You must have read my mind. I was thinking there should be some sort of "disclaimer or warning" to new people to do their research and reading. And not trust the first answer you find, because you never know who typed it or how much knowledge they actually have. So read, read, read, and make sure you trust the info your taking in to use. Anybody can sit behind a keyboard and type. Doesn't mean they should...
  • 12-10-2013, 10:07 AM
    Skiploder
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl View Post
    I don't know is I'm just getting cranky in my old age or its this money grubbing time of year that I hate oh so much BUT on to my reason for this post.

    I have seen a lot of advice posted that can be questionable to many of our well respected members.
    New members need to keep a couple things in mind when surfing this great site.
    Screen names are just that, chosen names that members make up and may not reflect on the REAL life persona.
    Any and all advice that you read here does not mean you should take matters into your own hands and bypass a vet visit.
    Whatever actions that YOU take upon your own free will is your responsibility to own the ending results of your actions.
    The web is a huge place full of knowledge AND a lot of smelly opinions because just like one, we all have the other.

    That being said, it is fine to regurgitate information that you have read and know for a fact that it is good advice.
    However if you are new to the hobby and only going by what a friend or a friend said or have no experience with the topic on hand I have a great idea for you.
    Tag the post to watch it, if you post keep it on topic, and like I tell my kid.......... shut your mouth and open your ears, you will learn a lot more.

    Reading the posts and keeping your mind open, you will also start to see which members are worth their weight and who is a warm puff of smelly air.

    You're getting cranky - welcome to our club. Hang your sweater vest on the rack over there, sit on one of our ice cold inflatable hemorhhoid donuts, help yourself to a fistful of viagra in the candy bowl over there and wash it down with some prune juice.

    Then park you rapidly disappearing keister over in the barcalounger and watch Matlock with the rest of us. If you get cold, as for a lap blanket and some slippers.
  • 12-10-2013, 10:20 AM
    MrLang
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skiploder View Post
    You're getting cranky - welcome to our club. Hang your sweater vest on the rack over there, sit on one of our ice cold inflatable hemorhhoid donuts, help yourself to a fistful of viagra in the candy bowl over there and wash it down with some prune juice.

    Then park you rapidly disappearing keister over in the barcalounger and watch Matlock with the rest of us. If you get cold, as for a lap blanket and some slippers.

    My Skiploder for president signature may have to resurface with Pit as the VP. OP is exactly why I keep sticking my nose in threads and pleading for suggestive animal abuse or mistreatment to be grounds for infraction. Included would be advising people to treat their own snakes with webMD voodoo and bypass vet visits.
  • 12-10-2013, 02:49 PM
    PitOnTheProwl
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skiploder View Post
    watch Matlock with the rest of us.

    Matlock SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!














    Golden Girls is much better :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
  • 12-10-2013, 02:52 PM
    Schmee123
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Murder, She Wrote??
  • 12-10-2013, 03:08 PM
    liv
    I'm not a "go-to" member for advice by any means, but I completely agree with you Pit. I've noticed some real sketchy input involving healthcare and morph identifications. It's easy to assume that the first few responses are the right responses, but that is not always the case.

    Maybe a disclaimer banner should be posted on the front page (or even just husbandry forums)?
  • 12-10-2013, 03:17 PM
    Marrissa
    See when it comes to basic husbandry I think us new folk are fine there (provided we also have it right with our own collection). What I will not do is give medical advice. My advice for that is just the vet. When I ask questions I always go with the general consensus and take into account the member's collection size, how many post they have, how long they've been here/keeping herps, and get a feel for their stance in the community (are they not very well liked due to attitude, do they provide bad advice, are they generally pretty well accepted, etc). I look forward to hitting my five year mark with herps (which is about 4 years away lol) where I feel like I will no longer be a newbie at that point and can give back to the community.
  • 12-10-2013, 03:25 PM
    satomi325
    For one, I think it's retarded that people would rather sit on their butts waiting for internet responses(from strangers they will most likely never meet) than take their animal to the vet if they are really that unsure of their health. And when they claim that they can't afford vet care, well..... What the heck?! Don't own something you can't afford to care for!

    The DIY home amputation thread comes to mind once again..... SMH
    That one really was off-putting and foolish.

    Not to mention all of the sudden explosion of "experts" that have only had snakes for a few weeks-months.


    Many members here have solid input and experience to offer good advice. But I think people need to remember that in the end, no body here is a qualified herp vet.
    Rather than such and such advice be "instead of a vet", it should always be "options I can do until I can get to a vet" type of thing.....
  • 12-10-2013, 03:26 PM
    Mr. Misha
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    I definitely agree with Pit. It seems like the people who just started posts about getting their first animals are giving advice to newer newbies. Now I'm not saying I'm a pro, but at least be sure the info you're regurgitating is correct and not just correct in your opinion (those are totally two different things).

    Also, can people stop posting their opinions as facts? There are multiple ways of doing things. For example: SOME people who feed F/T tend to demonize live feedings. For newer members this is very confusing. I have a couple more examples but I'm too lazy typing them out on my phone. The point is, if you're posting your opinion about something, don't make it seem like law. Now some things SHOULD be basic laws but that's a whole another subject.


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  • 12-10-2013, 03:32 PM
    Marrissa
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by satomi325 View Post
    For one, I think it's retarded that people would rather sit on their butts waiting for internet responses(from strangers they will most likely never meet) than take their animal to the vet if they are really that unsure of their health. And when they claim that they can't afford vet care, well..... What the heck?! Don't own something you can't afford to care for!

    The DIY home amputation thread comes to mind once again..... SMH
    That one really was off-putting.


    A lot of the members here have solid input and experience to offer good advice. But I think people need to remember that in the end, no body here is a qualified herp vet.
    Rather than such and such advice be "instead of a vet", it should always be "options I can do until I can get to a vet" type of thing.....

    Holy...! Can I see this thread? And I agree on the vet. If my animal is sick I don't ask opinions on the forum. I call the vet, see what they have to say, and go from there. With my horse he cut his leg on some type of wood known to cause infections. His leg went from slightly swollen to dragging it when he walked in about two days. (I was away from the barn when it first happened and went to see my horse and was horrified) Vet came out and treated it ASAP. I've also called for other issues and been told to wait it out. I trust my vet.
  • 12-10-2013, 03:42 PM
    MrLang
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by satomi325 View Post
    The DIY home amputation thread comes to mind once again

    ......
    ..........

    I'm sorry....

    WHAT?
  • 12-10-2013, 03:43 PM
    Naom9Anne
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Marrissa View Post
    Holy...! Can I see this thread? And I agree on the vet. If my animal is sick I don't ask opinions on the forum. I call the vet, see what they have to say, and go from there. With my horse he cut his leg on some type of wood known to cause infections. His leg went from slightly swollen to dragging it when he walked in about two days. (I was away from the barn when it first happened and went to see my horse and was horrified) Vet came out and treated it ASAP. I've also called for other issues and been told to wait it out. I trust my vet.


    The thread was deleted, and for good reason Marrissa. Any one on the internet could have read it and taken that advice upon themselves. I understand coming on here to ask advice if you think your snake may be sick or not 100% if it is a weekend when you cannot get to a vet, or late at night but everything medical should be taken with a pinch of salt. For example, raising temperatures with a suspected RI for someone who isn't sure what to do but I think no further.

    I'm very new to this hobby and this forum has really helped me through the help of very experienced people. I try to help others where I can too from what I've learnt as much as I can.
  • 12-10-2013, 03:43 PM
    h20hunter
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Being a newbie I only have heard of the thread....somebody with more exp will have to elaborate on it.
  • 12-10-2013, 03:47 PM
    Naom9Anne
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by h20hunter View Post
    Being a newbie I only have heard of the thread....somebody with more exp will have to elaborate on it.

    Someone posted a picture of her BP's tail saying they couldn't get to a vet due to weather conditions. People told them to wait it out and get to a vet asap, another member suggested an amputation; DIY style. The OP decided to do an at home amputation. The snake survived this initial amputation but I do not know if it is still okay, I hope it is.
  • 12-10-2013, 03:49 PM
    h20hunter
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Naom9Anne View Post
    Someone posted a picture of her BP's tail saying they couldn't get to a vet due to weather conditions. People told them to wait it out and get to a vet asap, another member suggested an amputation; DIY style. The OP decided to do an at home amputation. The snake survived this initial amputation but I do not know if it is still okay, I hope it is.

    That is a heck of summary....in similiar succinct fashion I would say that is royallymessedupwhatthebloodyhellwouldpossessomeonetodothat.
  • 12-10-2013, 03:50 PM
    Marrissa
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Naom9Anne View Post
    The thread was deleted, and for good reason Marrissa. Any one on the internet could have read it and taken that advice upon themselves. I understand coming on here to ask advice if you think your snake may be sick or not 100% if it is a weekend when you cannot get to a vet, or late at night but everything medical should be taken with a pinch of salt. For example, raising temperatures with a suspected RI for someone who isn't sure what to do but I think no further.

    I'm very new to this hobby and this forum has really helped me through the help of very experienced people. I try to help others where I can too from what I've learnt as much as I can.

    I'm just shocked someone put a thread up like that, or that someone suggested that. It's a good thing it was deleted but man I'd like to know who it was just for the sake of never doing business with them.

    Edit: read your most recent post. I am reeling from hearing that. I hope that snake is ok. I just don't even know what to say besides I'm horrified.
  • 12-10-2013, 03:57 PM
    Naom9Anne
    Although this action was awful I want the OP to update on the health and well-being of her BP. It would be a relief to know what happened and I hope their actions didn't take their BP's life. I don't think I posted on the thread myself but I remember reading through it and being very shocked; what shocked me most was their decision to follow through on the amputation. I hope no one else is driven to such extreme actions with any of their animals, whether rep or not.

    A lot more went on during this post but that is basically all you need to know. Quite rightly, the post was removed to stop others following these actions.
  • 12-10-2013, 04:06 PM
    DooLittle
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MrLang View Post
    ......
    ..........

    I'm sorry....

    WHAT?

    It was horrible.
  • 12-10-2013, 04:08 PM
    Mr. Misha
    Sadly, common sense isn't very common.

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  • 12-10-2013, 05:52 PM
    devonascended
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Oh my god that's honestly sick plain and simple. I'm very glad I didn't see it. If you are unable to guarantee your animal professional care in the event of an emergency you should have it. End of story. I have never heard of anyone performing a "home amputation" and I hope I never do again. Seriously sickening.
  • 12-10-2013, 06:14 PM
    Crazymonkee
    I did see it, and couldn't believe what I was reading.
    For medical advice I either don't reply or reply to see a vet.
    As for simple husbandry issues, I say what I have learned, what I use and what is working for me.
    As for feeding I feed live and feel I can adequately give advice there, and also my method of figuring size of prey.
    I do not shun f/t feeders, as I did try it and it just wasn't for me. Now my hognoses do eat f/t so I'll most likely keep them on that.
    I don't like when people try to scare new people about feeding live.
    There is a lot of great advice here, but people have to read further and see who is more respected, and the years they have been keeping.

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  • 12-10-2013, 06:46 PM
    BrandiR
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Naom9Anne View Post
    Although this action was awful I want the OP to update on the health and well-being of her BP. It would be a relief to know what happened and I hope their actions didn't take their BP's life. I don't think I posted on the thread myself but I remember reading through it and being very shocked; what shocked me most was their decision to follow through on the amputation. I hope no one else is driven to such extreme actions with any of their animals, whether rep or not.

    A lot more went on during this post but that is basically all you need to know. Quite rightly, the post was removed to stop others following these actions.

    I think an update could actually be counterproductive. If the snake is doing well, there's the potential for, "Well, this one Guy did it and it turned out fine, probably saved his snake's life!" If it turns out the snake isn't OK, then there's nothing anyone can do about it now anyway.

    I think it's best to just let anyone who'd consider doing this (or giving this kind of advice) wonder what became of that snake.

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  • 12-10-2013, 07:04 PM
    Naom9Anne
    That is very true! Last thing we would want!
  • 12-10-2013, 07:05 PM
    Mr. Misha
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Crazymonkee View Post
    I don't like when people try to scare new people about feeding live.

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    That's exactly what I'm talking about. I don't understand why an opinion in feeding, is slowly becoming "the only way" to do it.

    Most of the time I don't even chime in anymore in letting new owners know that it's ok to feed live because there's always a bunch of people swearing it's the worst thing ever.

    Keeping two animals in one terrarium (I'm not recommending this to new owners) also should not be demonized. Just because it's not perfect for all keepers, doesn't mean it should be seen as the devils work. Lol. And yes, I keep one of my pairs together. No, I'm not broke, nor am I a horrible keeper for doing so. Again, it's a choice.

    Anyways, that's the end of my rant...

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  • 12-10-2013, 07:12 PM
    Soterios
    <----is worried about being a fart. :please:


    Haha. Yeah, you certainly have to watch out for some crazy stuff that pops in from time to time around here. I still love to learn from the site though. There are so many great teachers and lessons here. :snake:
  • 12-10-2013, 07:13 PM
    OhhWatALoser
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Maybe there is a possibility for a "Things you can do until you can see the vet" thread?
  • 12-10-2013, 07:32 PM
    Phantomtip
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    I have been told repeatedly that I need to get ONLY 1 kind of incubator. A DIY. I'm not good and have said so several times at wiring things up. So now I am considered an idiot because I want to buy one and ask a question. I have also noticed that its new people on this forum. Yes I am new to this forum too but asking a question shouldn't have people jumping down your throat and ripping out your tongue from the base. Ive been jumped on about my girls weight, and my husband putting my girl and boy together. This has been from people that have had BPs for a couple months. I've had my girl 4 yrs. So I'm not a complete newbie. It does get irritating to have someone thats extremely new say you're doing things wrong.
  • 12-10-2013, 08:03 PM
    PitOnTheProwl
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Phantomtip View Post
    I have been told repeatedly that I need to get ONLY 1 kind of incubator. A DIY. I'm not good and have said so several times at wiring things up. So now I am considered an idiot because I want to buy one and ask a question. I have also noticed that its new people on this forum. Yes I am new to this forum too but asking a question shouldn't have people jumping down your throat and ripping out your tongue from the base. Ive been jumped on about my girls weight, and my husband putting my girl and boy together. This has been from people that have had BPs for a couple months. I've had my girl 4 yrs. So I'm not a complete newbie. It does get irritating to have someone thats extremely new say you're doing things wrong.

    Honestly I don't think anyone thinks of you as an idiot, I know I don't however I think its a waste of money to buy one when you can build one for less than $20 plus the cost of a t-stat. Then the stat can be repurposed :gj:;)
  • 12-10-2013, 08:54 PM
    200xth
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Misha View Post
    Most of the time I don't even chime in anymore in letting new owners know that it's ok to feed live because there's always a bunch of people swearing it's the worst thing ever.

    Don't do that. I think we've gone way overboard in the warnings of live feedings. A couple of months ago on this forum there was a post by someone who was "terrified" to feed his snake a mouse hopper. That's too far. You'd almost think there was an army of samurai rats waiting to be deployed into various enclosures so they can slaughter hapless pythons or something.

    Every person who buys a ball python should be fully aware that they may need to feed their snake a live rodent someday. There's lots of good reasons to feed FT...unfortunately, they're all good reasons for humans and the snake shares none of those reasons. Give him a properly sized live rodent (ie, no 400g rats for 800g snakes) and he's perfectly happy, unconcerned with convenience or humane objections.

    Keep letting them know it's okay when the subject comes up. They need to know it's okay to feed live if wanted/needed.
  • 12-10-2013, 09:01 PM
    Mr. Misha
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 200xth View Post
    You'd almost think there was an army of samurai rats waiting to be deployed into various enclosures so they can slaughter hapless pythons or something.

    Lol! That just made my day.. Thank you.

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  • 12-10-2013, 09:20 PM
    satomi325
    Some folks are under the impression that snakes don't know how to feed themselves and haven't been eating live prey for millions of years.....

    Whether it's live, f/t, or p/k, just feed what works for you and your snakes. And no matter what method you prefer, be vigilant and feed responsibly.
  • 12-10-2013, 09:28 PM
    wilomn
    Here's a bit of something to ponder.

    If you get offended, by anyone-newb, megayear keeper, the know nothing at the pet shop, it's because you allowed yourself to be offended.

    Why care about what someone you have no respect for, will never meet and you have no desire to deal with, thinks? Pick the ones you like, use the criteria for that you are comfortable with and let the rest of them pound sand. Do you have so much free time that you can waste it feeling bad about things strangers say?
    If so, maybe you need a new hobby.

    Learn, ask questions, grow calluses and learn which battles are worth fighting. We never stop learning. We're never THE best, or THE fastest, or THE most experienced, but some of us are good and quick and experienced. Some share, some don't. So what? Do what YOU feel is right and be good with yourself. I would recommend, were anyone to ask, that you just let the crap go. Unless you like poop on your shoes. If that's the case, then by all means, carry on just as butthurt as you can. But, I promise, there are better ways than that to improve your skills.
  • 12-10-2013, 09:51 PM
    Raven01
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Pit brings up a great point.
    I wonder if there is a way to differentiate whose advice new members may want to give more weight to?
    A rating system that only veterans can cast votes on perhaps(i.e. after X number of years as a member).
    Granted I haven't been here all that long but, I have learned that there are certain individuals here that are a font of knowledge.
    It would be nice to recognise their efforts in helping out with solid knowledge rather than guesses or regurgitated opinion.
    If possible even a badge for area's of expertise i.e. Boa, Morelia, Genetics, etc.
  • 12-10-2013, 10:09 PM
    Mike41793
    Noticing a trend here.................
    This thread read my mind and couldn't have been written at a better time. I haven't been very active on here the past couple weeks since i saw a few responses in some threads that really bothered me. Some downright disgusted me...

    I think some people, not singling anyone out, but especially newer members, get too wrapped up in the forum atmosphere a bit and feel like everything needs to be turned into a competition. I mean really, a thread about how to earn reputation faster...? If thats really why you're here then go to your local YMCA and challenge the seniors to a game of jai alai! Members both old and new need to remember that were all different people from different places and backgrounds and experience levels but were all here for the same reason: we love our animals and want whats best for them!!
  • 12-10-2013, 10:21 PM
    Mr. Misha
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wilomn View Post
    Here's a bit of something to ponder.

    If you get offended, by anyone-newb, megayear keeper, the know nothing at the pet shop, it's because you allowed yourself to be offended.

    Why care about what someone you have no respect for, will never meet and you have no desire to deal with, thinks? Pick the ones you like, use the criteria for that you are comfortable with and let the rest of them pound sand. Do you have so much free time that you can waste it feeling bad about things strangers say?
    If so, maybe you need a new hobby.

    Learn, ask questions, grow calluses and learn which battles are worth fighting. We never stop learning. We're never THE best, or THE fastest, or THE most experienced, but some of us are good and quick and experienced. Some share, some don't. So what? Do what YOU feel is right and be good with yourself. I would recommend, were anyone to ask, that you just let the crap go. Unless you like poop on your shoes. If that's the case, then by all means, carry on just as butthurt as you can. But, I promise, there are better ways than that to improve your skills.

    I absolutely agree with you, but I don't think its a matter of being offended or being butt hurt.

    When newbies ask questions, they don't know if someone is giving them a fact or an opinion. I know it took me a couple of weeks to figure out who gives solid advice and who should be more or less ignored. So when newer posters give complete newbies advice that sounds like fact instead of opinion is when trouble starts. Just to clarify, I'm definitely NOT against newer members helping each other out. Completely the opposite. Just make VERY sure your information is accurate. If your suggestion is an opinion then label is as such.

    Like 200xth pointed out, that's how people are horribly afraid of feeding live because "an army of samurai rats is waiting to be deployed into various enclosures so they can slaughter helpless pythons or something". Thank you for that quote 200xth. ;)
  • 12-10-2013, 10:23 PM
    satomi325
    If you're around long enough and keep reading whole threads, you can see what kind of advice some people offer and what kind of posts they write. Yes, you're going to get some regurge. That's what happens when people keep asking the same question and making the same thread topics over and over again.

    However, not everything is regurge and those posts with legitimate advice/insight really shine in the more uncommon topics. And I believe that those are the posts that really show how knowledgeable and experienced a person is.

    The "overnight experts" are pretty obvious, in my opinion. Especially if you are familiar with their threads and posts.
    And I do believe the folks who are known for their dependable and authentic advice are noticed.

    Just keep reading and learning. The members who know what they're talking about have no issue standing out in the topics that weigh more than the common thread.
  • 12-10-2013, 11:25 PM
    patientz3ro
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    I give advice from time to time, and there have been occasions where more senior members have questioned my logic. In those situations, I try to elaborate and explain my reasons.

    Having said that, I truly hope I haven't been guilty of handing out bad information, especially since I've been a member for less than 2 years. If anyone catches bad info coming from me, PLEASE point it out!

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  • 12-10-2013, 11:48 PM
    Productmur
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser View Post
    Maybe there is a possibility for a "Things you can do until you can see the vet" thread?


    ^^^ This. I think this would benefit quite a few people, especially those who come to the forum in search of medical advice for their sick snakes as they are (probably) more likely to jump on whatever advice they get first.

    I don't know if I'm missing it somewhere, but perhaps a number and/or email address for a few reputable reptile vets being listed could be helpful, too. I'm sure there are vets out there who would gladly allow people to contact them for advice as opposed to listening to (no offense) online drabble. Obviously, get their permission before posting their info, though.

    And for the general post, maybe if a few of our more experienced and reliable members (or reputable breeders in the hobby) could answer some basic questions on what to do in the meantime before they can go to a vet. What to do for mites, RI, scale rot... Maybe a few things about what not to freak out about as well, like the orange belly before shedding (which can look quite alarmingly like a burn). I know people are busy, but perhaps asking the seperate questions to people and compiling a consensus or even just keeping the replied quotes from those reliable sources could be delegated to someone with more free time. (I'll totally volunteer--I'm a stay-at-home mom, so not much life. xD But I know I'm still new here and such, so no hard feelings what-so-ever if someone else ischosen for it--I just think it's a good idea!)
  • 12-10-2013, 11:55 PM
    Crazymonkee
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 200xth View Post
    Don't do that. I think we've gone way overboard in the warnings of live feedings. A couple of months ago on this forum there was a post by someone who was "terrified" to feed his snake a mouse hopper. That's too far. You'd almost think there was an army of samurai rats waiting to be deployed into various enclosures so they can slaughter hapless pythons or something.

    Every person who buys a ball python should be fully aware that they may need to feed their snake a live rodent someday. There's lots of good reasons to feed FT...unfortunately, they're all good reasons for humans and the snake shares none of those reasons. Give him a properly sized live rodent (ie, no 400g rats for 800g snakes) and he's perfectly happy, unconcerned with convenience or humane objections.

    Keep letting them know it's okay when the subject comes up. They need to know it's okay to feed live if wanted/needed.

    Exactly

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  • 12-11-2013, 12:02 AM
    satomi325
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Productmur View Post


    I don't know if I'm missing it somewhere, but perhaps a number and/or email address for a few reputable reptile vets being listed could be helpful, too. I'm sure there are vets out there who would gladly allow people to contact them for advice as opposed to listening to (no offense) online drabble. Obviously, get their permission before posting their info, though.

    http://thereptilereport.com/category/vet-directory/
  • 12-11-2013, 12:09 AM
    Productmur
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:
    Thank you, Satomi. :3 But I meant on here. I don't see many new ball python owners going to reptile report for advice, but they do come here. Mayhaps the link can be added to the caresheet with a disclaimer of "for further assistance..."?
  • 12-11-2013, 12:20 AM
    Libby
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser View Post
    Maybe there is a possibility for a "Things you can do until you can see the vet" thread?

    I started a thread (after the horrific diy amputation one) asking if anyone would be willing to write a first aid sticky. There were some thoughtful responses about not wanting to give medical advice on the forums and making sure it wouldn't be taken as a substitute for a vet visit. I would, at the very least, really appreciate someone putting together a list of items to keep on hand as first aid supplies that are safe for snakes.

    Speaking as a relative newbie, I tend to turn to the sticky threads for trustworthy information, and check or start other threads with questions after exhausting those ones.
  • 12-11-2013, 12:24 AM
    DooLittle
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Libby View Post
    I started a thread (after the horrific diy amputation one) asking if anyone would be willing to write a first aid sticky. There were some thoughtful responses about not wanting to give medical advice on the forums and making sure it wouldn't be taken as a substitute for a vet visit. I would, at the very least, really appreciate someone putting together a list of items to keep on hand as first aid supplies that are safe for snakes.

    Speaking as a relative newbie, I tend to turn to the sticky threads for trustworthy information, and check or start other threads with questions after exhausting those ones.

    Somewhere, this exists already. I'll try to find it if I have time.
  • 12-11-2013, 12:27 AM
    Productmur
    Well, if advice and actions are going to be taken without a sticky, I don't see how a sticky would hurt. Perhaps stating that while the information on the sticky would be the best advice able to be provided by the senior members here, there is no substitution for veterinary care?
  • 12-11-2013, 12:33 AM
    Kensa
    Would you trust a dentist to fix your car when it breaks down? Why would you trust the advice of random strangers online when your pet is sick?

    Maybe that's just my opinion though.
  • 12-11-2013, 01:57 AM
    dr del
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Hi,

    We've had our own vet list for almost 7 years. :)

    http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...d-Exotics-Vets
  • 12-11-2013, 05:44 AM
    ROACH
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    Hi,

    We've had our own vet list for almost 7 years. :)

    http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...d-Exotics-Vets

    I live in College Station near A & M, we have a Small animal training school here also close by. My question to you is if I were to be able to get permission from them to have their number added to our list, could we add it?
  • 12-11-2013, 06:10 PM
    dr del
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ROACH View Post
    I live in College Station near A & M, we have a Small animal training school here also close by. My question to you is if I were to be able to get permission from them to have their number added to our list, could we add it?

    Of course! :D

    Anyone wishing to share a good vet should simply post the details in this thread.

    http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...r-Own-Vet-List

    I'll then add it to the list. :salute:
  • 12-11-2013, 06:56 PM
    Badgemash
    Re: Noticing a trend here.................
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl View Post
    however I think its a waste of money to buy one when you can build one for less than $20 plus the cost of a t-stat. Then the stat can be repurposed :gj:;)

    I'm not disagreeing with you (although I think I might be missing your point about the t-stat, mine unplugs just fine from my ready-made incubator?), but I do not trust my DIY skills, so I read all the threads I could find about which incubators people liked or would get if they could (which leads into a whole separate rant about people not using the search function) and just bought the one that kept coming up consistently (Natures Spirit). It wasn't about the cost for me, the decrease in anxiety in my little OCD brain that came with buying a ready-made product that I knew had the respect of this community was worth every penny.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 200xth View Post
    an army of samurai rats waiting to be deployed into various enclosures so they can slaughter hapless pythons or something.

    :rofl:Oh heaven forbid anyone finds out I feed one of mine live ASFs, I guess I'm just evil.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mike41793 View Post
    If thats really why you're here then go to your local YMCA and challenge the seniors to a game of jai alai!

    The very naughty part of me kind of wants to see what would happen, age and trechery beats youth and skill after all...

    And for my separate rant, use the search function people! Odds are pretty good that someone else has had the same question, and it has already been answered throughly, more than once. If you still need clarification afterward, THAT is the time to start a new thread, with specific details ("I saw in the past that thing A happened, and it means thing B and C, how does that apply to D?"). Ok, am off my soapbox, especially since I know I'm addressing the choir anyway ;).
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