I has eggs!!!

I've been trying to upload pics to show the clutch but my computer isn't cooperating with me!

My pastel girl laid 6 beautiful eggs on the 18th, candled them and i've got five DEFINITELY fertile eggs and one iffy but I'm staying hopeful. It's her first clutch ever so I'd call that a good percentage! It's from a pairing with my Spider so I've got all my fingers and toes crossed hoping for at least one bumblebee!! :)

Congrats! May the odds gods be ever in your favor haha 8)

Congrats and good luck!!!

Congrats:gj::gj:

Here's a pic from my cell phone right after I got momma off of her eggs.

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Best of luck

Awesome! Hoping you get TWO bees :D

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Wee!! Congrats! !

Nice! Eggs are good!

One of the best views you can get, mom on eggs....:gj:

Congrats

congrats!! do you remember when the date when they first locked up ?

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congrats!! do you remember when the date when they first locked up ?

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Sadly I do not. I only know that it's been quite some time.


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Here's a pic from my cell phone right after I got momma off of her eggs.

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Nice, Good luck

best of luck!! :)


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It's been about 13 days now by my count and I'm a little perplexed by one of these eggs!

5 of them are still doing great, still firm, leathery, etc.. One on top is a little sunk in but still candles red, veins look healthy, etc.. but one on the bottom is a bit more....for lack of a better term, "wet" looking all over the egg rather than just a "window" and is very soft compared to the others. it still seems (key word there) to candle redish and appears to have healthy veins but the shell just concerns me.

For you EXPERIENCED breeders, is this a sign of an egg on it's way out?

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It's been about 13 days now by my count and I'm a little perplexed by one of these eggs!

5 of them are still doing great, still firm, leathery, etc.. One on top is a little sunk in but still candles red, veins look healthy, etc.. but one on the bottom is a bit more....for lack of a better term, "wet" looking all over the egg rather than just a "window" and is very soft compared to the others. it still seems (key word there) to candle redish and appears to have healthy veins but the shell just concerns me.

For you EXPERIENCED breeders, is this a sign of an egg on it's way out?

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A picture and a brief overview of your incubation temps/humidity would be helpful. By the denting you're describing, it sounds like they aren't humid enough. However, the "Wet spot" is not a good sign and means it's too wet. Are the eggs sitting directly on the substrate or on an light grate?

Give us some pictures and details and we'll see if we can't help you out.

My incubator temp is at about 89/90, humidity was high yesterday morning but is now at about 80-82% the eggs are IN the substrate and it is still clumping but not dripping and falls apart easily. no water drips when I squeeze the clump.

3 of the 4 eggs IN the substrate are doing well, there's no excess condensation on the lid of the egg box and the window on the top egg has stayed a consistent size/color the entire incubation process so i'm not super concerned about it above the sunken look but again it still candles like it's healthy.

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Below I have modified a picture of yours and color coded it so we can talk about the different areas. Now, remember, this is just my opinion and it's only meant to be educational. Others feel free to chime in.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7487/a9cx.jpg

The RED circle: This egg is WAY too wet. In fact, this egg will probably start to grow mold. I had several eggs that looked like this just before they died. If you see mold, try to put some anti-fungal powder on there and hope for the best. If it starts to smell or feel FIRM, throw it out. By firm I mean like a soft boiled egg. The yolk will start to harden and it will be a definite firm, immovable touch to it.

The BLUE circle: This egg is looking a little too damp as well, but not as bad as the egg above.

The GREEN circle: This is probably not an accurate measure of your humidity. Those analog gauges aren't usually very accurate. I would suggest you get a digital one that has a probe on it. if I had to guess, the substrate is too wet but the eggs are too dry based on the dimpling from the top egg. You can try to put a layer of press-n-seal on top to trap in the humidity.

The ORANGE shading: Because your eggs look a little too wet, I would get them up off the substrate (that may mean you need to change containers) and put them on a light grate. You can buy it at Home Depot. it comes in a large sheet and you'll just have to cut it down to fit your tub.

Hopefully that helped a little bit and hopefully you can save several of those eggs.

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Below I have modified a picture of yours and color coded it so we can talk about the different areas. Now, remember, this is just my opinion and it's only meant to be educational. Others feel free to chime in.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7487/a9cx.jpg

The RED circle: This egg is WAY too wet. In fact, this egg will probably start to grow mold. I had several eggs that looked like this just before they died. If you see mold, try to put some anti-fungal powder on there and hope for the best. If it starts to smell or feel FIRM, throw it out. By firm I mean like a soft boiled egg. The yolk will start to harden and it will be a definite firm, immovable touch to it.

The BLUE circle: This egg is looking a little too damp as well, but not as bad as the egg above.

The GREEN circle: This is probably not an accurate measure of your humidity. Those analog gauges aren't usually very accurate. I would suggest you get a digital one that has a probe on it. if I had to guess, the substrate is too wet but the eggs are too dry based on the dimpling from the top egg. You can try to put a layer of press-n-seal on top to trap in the humidity.

The ORANGE shading: Because your eggs look a little too wet, I would get them up off the substrate (that may mean you need to change containers) and put them on a light grate. You can buy it at Home Depot. it comes in a large sheet and you'll just have to cut it down to fit your tub.

Hopefully that helped a little bit and hopefully you can save several of those eggs.

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Thank you for this! I'll go find a digital one today as well as a light grate.

The odd thing is that only those eggs are seeming wet but the top egg looking wet is a mystery because the top of the egg box has stayed almost completely dry.


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Also, is there some specific method I can use to separate the eggs without worrying about damaging one, in order to remove the dead egg?


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Thank you for this! I'll go find a digital one today as well as a light grate.

The odd thing is that only those eggs are seeming wet but the top egg looking wet is a mystery because the top of the egg box has stayed almost completely dry.

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It looks like condensation dripping on that top egg.

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Also, is there some specific method I can use to separate the eggs without worrying about damaging one, in order to remove the dead egg?

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You may not be able to remove the egg. Sometimes dental floss will work, but if it's not budging, don't try to pry it apart. You could rupture a healthy egg.

The "red" egg is going to STINK like you don't want to smell.

So I found a digital thermo/hygrometer and after letting it sit for About 45 minutes to correctly read the conditions inside the egg box, here is where I'm sitting now.

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Just an inexperienced question here, but seeing how you have your eggs arranged I have to ask. Why do you have an egg on top of the other eggs? Why not evenly distribute them on their own instead of having one piled on top of the others?

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Just an inexperienced question here, but seeing how you have your eggs arranged I have to ask. Why do you have an egg on top of the other eggs? Why not evenly distribute them on their own instead of having one piled on top of the others?

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I took the eggs and put them in the egg box in the exact same position as the mama laid them. By the time I saw that she had laid, they were already quite adhered to one another and I did not want to risk puncturing any of them. :)


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Oh wow, so they sort of stick together after being laid?

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Oh wow, so they sort of stick together after being laid?

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Yes indeed.


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Oh wow, so they sort of stick together after being laid?

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The eggs are usually pretty soft so it's easier on mom to pass them when she lays. Then they dry and stick to one another. Usually if you catch her pretty soon after laying, you can gently pull them apart. Sometimes, if it's been a few hours, they are already stuck together and it's best to not move them at all.

Well it's 30 days in now and I am almost positive there is only one viable egg left.

However I fear I may have ruined everything. Removing the two eggs that were certainly dead, I accidentally rolled the one viable egg upside down for a brief moment but carefully rolled it back trying not to basically cause a scramble in the egg. I'm terrified that I just may have killed the one good egg!

Secondly there is still one other perfectly white egg that looks beautiful however it candles white/yellow and has no veins whatsoever.

Should I get rid of that one, and what do I do to make sure the one that rolled isn't ruined?

Worst first clutch experience ever!
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I doubt you killed the good one by rolling it. You may be able to start seeing movement soon when candling, so give it a couple days and then check (was day 33 for me, but could have been sooner as I was just checking once a week). Of course just because they can move doesn't mean they will, but it's possible you'll catch it wiggling. Personally I would leave the questionable one in there until you're absolutely certain it's fully dead (as in stinky and rotting), just let them sit and keep cooking. That's all you can do at this point (and keep your chin up too ;)).

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I doubt you killed the good one by rolling it. You may be able to start seeing movement soon when candling, so give it a couple days and then check (was day 33 for me, but could have been sooner as I was just checking once a week). Of course just because they can move doesn't mean they will, but it's possible you'll catch it wiggling. Personally I would leave the questionable one in there until you're absolutely certain it's fully dead (as in stinky and rotting), just let them sit and keep cooking. That's all you can do at this point (and keep your chin up too ;)).

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Thanks for the affirmation, I'm sure it seems silly to those who are experienced breeders but, I'm just a little hypersensitive with these last couple of eggs. It's been dismal so far with four out of six eggs dying so I'm freaked out at the slightest misstep hoping I can get at least one to the finish line.


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Pardon the slight off-topicness of my question. But what exactly is done when "candling" an egg? I keep getting the image of holding the egg up to a candle to see what's inside.

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Pardon the slight off-topicness of my question. But what exactly is done when "candling" an egg? I keep getting the image of holding the egg up to a candle to see what's inside.

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That is basically exactly what it is, Viper. When candling an egg, in this instance, one uses a very bright, small flash light against the egg in order to check for veins and/or movement within the egg to make sure they are still healthy and viable.


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I'm sure it seems silly to those who are experienced breeders but, I'm just a little hypersensitive with these last couple of eggs.

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It's not silly at all (not that I'm a super experienced breeder), we all want to see the little guys grow and hatch and thrive, and it's hard to have to sit on the sidelines and not be able to do anything.

Mistakes happen, live and learn. Keep your head up and remember every breeder was once new and has made a mistake. Hope the last 2 make it!

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Well it's 30 days in now and I am almost positive there is only one viable egg left.

However I fear I may have ruined everything. Removing the two eggs that were certainly dead, I accidentally rolled the one viable egg upside down for a brief moment but carefully rolled it back trying not to basically cause a scramble in the egg. I'm terrified that I just may have killed the one good egg!

Secondly there is still one other perfectly white egg that looks beautiful however it candles white/yellow and has no veins whatsoever.

Should I get rid of that one, and what do I do to make sure the one that rolled isn't ruined?

Worst first clutch experience ever!
</3 :(


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I'd hold on to the second egg just incase, maybe the veins are very small or the eggs are a little far behind...if it doesn't smell then keep it around til your other pips. Fingers still crossed for you my friend!
I have only had one clutch, and with that clutch I used hatchrite right out of the bag, a light grate, and press n seal...little bit of condensation in the beginning, but i put a CD case under one side of the tub in order to make the condesation roll down and not drip on to the top of the eggs-everyone hatched on day 56 nice n big.
humidity was a steady 99% the hole time at 88-90 degrees.

So it's day 54 and I cut the last remaining egg of the six egg clutch. The other five were ALL infertile and all went bad. This was my only baby to make it through!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/rarena4y.jpg

It APPEARS to me, that it is a pastel but I can't see enough of the pattern to really say just yet. I guess I'll just have to wait until this baby is ready to come out & play!


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congrats