2 babies together???

Can I house 2 hatchlings together in a 20 gal long tank, and if so for how long? I will definitely give them plenty of hides so they feel secure.


J.Miles

I'm just going to really what most will say...for the temp you can,but they shouldn't be housed together too long. They stress easily and are not social animals like that. They like to be on there own. As a short temp thing,I don't think it would be a problem.

Temporarily yes... ideal... absolutely not.
Why do you want to?

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It's not that I want to. I got a crazy deal on a hatchling I've been wanting and couldn't pass it up, and I only have one rack that is filled up.


J.Miles

So how long are talking about keeping them together? How are you quarantining? Did both babies come from the same place?

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It's not that I want to. I got a crazy deal on a hatchling I've been wanting and couldn't pass it up, and I only have one rack that is filled up.


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Well there hatchlings,so go grab a small hide ( tup o ware and cut a entrance) and a heat lamp a 10 gallon tank and some bedding ,hygrometer and thermostat.. That can't cost any more than $40

You can temporarily house them together, but as soon as possible you should separate them. Also as seeing they are hatchlings, you should try to keep them in a smaller enclosure. Small spaces usually make a ball much more comfortable and less stress.

In the meantime, while they are being housed together be sure to feed them separately, you don't want to cause and more unneeded stress.

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Well there hatchlings,so go grab a small hide ( tup o ware and cut a entrance) and a heat lamp a 10 gallon tank and some bedding ,hygrometer and thermostat.. That can't cost any more than $40

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Say what? A thermostat alone is $40, heat mat $15, 10 gal tank about $20.....

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What's the longest they should be housed together. I haven't put them together yet. Figured I'd check here first.


J.Miles

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What's the longest they should be housed together. I haven't put them together yet. Figured I'd check here first.


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Again... did they come from the same place?

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I'm sorry, I didn't see you ask that. No they didn't.


J.Miles

Meant thermometer to measure air temp

thermometer $5.00
hygrometer analog $7.00
heat lamp and bulb maybe $20
tank $20.
Carpet for tank$8
ok so $60, that still ain't nothing.. It shouldn't be a problem cause if you own a pet u have to be ready for vet bills if it comes down to it,so either way if $40-$60 is a huge difference then u have financial trouble,like maybe you do,well I don't,i make just about a Grand a week :) Give or take,it's a great thing,haha..so I don't stress a diff of $20
in a 10 gallon,I'd just use a heat bulb and dome or a heat mat,no diff in hat case..in my 20 gallon I just have a heat lamp in my 29 gallon I have a heat bulb and UTH,depends the situation

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I'm sorry, I didn't see you ask that. No they didn't.


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Then I would not put them in the same room let alone the same tank. What if one has mites, is sick, etc
That's why we practice quarantine. You risk a lot if you put them together

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Originally Posted by NYHC4LIFE8899

Meant thermometer to measure air temp

thermometer $5.00
hygrometer analog $7.00
heat lamp and bulb maybe $20
tank $20.
Carpet for tank$8
ok so $60, that still ain't nothing.. It shouldn't be a problem cause if you own a pet u have to be ready for vet bills if it comes down to it,so either way if $40-$60 is a huge difference then u have financial trouble,like maybe you do,well I don't,i make just about a Grand a week :) Give or take,it's a great thing,haha..so I don't stress a diff of $20
in a 10 gallon,I'd just use a heat bulb and dome or a heat mat,no diff in hat case..in my 20 gallon I just have a heat lamp in my 29 gallon I have a heat bulb and UTH,depends the situation

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Um I don't see why my financial stability is in question... but thanks for your concern... I'm just fine. And nobody asked how much you make so really no need to throw it around.

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Originally Posted by NYHC4LIFE8899

Meant thermometer to measure air temp

thermometer $5.00
hygrometer analog $7.00
heat lamp and bulb maybe $20
tank $20.
Carpet for tank$8
ok so $60, that still ain't nothing.. It shouldn't be a problem cause if you own a pet u have to be ready for vet bills if it comes down to it,so either way if $40-$60 is a huge difference then u have financial trouble,like maybe you do,well I don't,i make just about a Grand a week :) Give or take,it's a great thing,haha..so I don't stress a diff of $20
in a 10 gallon,I'd just use a heat bulb and dome or a heat mat,no diff in hat case..in my 20 gallon I just have a heat lamp in my 29 gallon I have a heat bulb and UTH,depends the situation

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Hm, well a che is $25, the lamp dome another $15, that's already $40. Plus tank, lamp stand, heat mat, and hides, plus a thermometer AND THERMOSTAT, is nowhere near $40. Properly setting up an enclosure doesn't cost only $40. And that carpet is just nasty, I would never recommended that bacteria harboring stuff...

OP, before you listen to what just anybody has to say, do some time reading here, you will get a feel for who to listen to or not. This guy ^ is not one I would recommend anyone listen to, ever. Nothing but drivel.

As far as housing 2 together, can it be done? Sure. Is it recommended? No. But the biggest thing is quarantine. Otherwise you risk exposing your whole collection to who knows what. RI, mites, or worse. So any new addition should always be properly quarantined away from your established collection.

If they didn't come from the same breeder I would definitely not put them in the same tank. You can get an inexpensive tub from walmart if money is an issue but you will still need a UTH and thermostat for it.

To the OP,go to you tube and type in "BASIC ball python set-up ( part1)"... Like I said above,it's a quick Basic simple inexpensive way to quickly separate your two snakes... Til u get the money for all the proper things you need.

the guy has hundreds of snakes,I'm sure he knows what he is doing...njus cause someone won a BP of the month,doesn't mean they know jack,just saying:)

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To the OP,go to you tube and type in "BASIC ball python set-up ( part1)"... Like I said above,it's a quick Basic simple inexpensive way to quickly separate your two snakes... Til u get the money for all the proper things you need.

the guy has hundreds of snakes,I'm sure he knows what he is doing...njus cause someone won a BP of the month,doesn't mean they know jack,just saying:)

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No, winning a photo contest doesnt mean jack. Having hands on experience does. Pretty sure I've got more than you. You're such a peach...:rolleyes: "njus" fyi, isn't in the dictionary... I know enough to spell proper ;)

If you don't have the money to get a proper enclosure, or have the room to properly quarantine new additions, there is NO GOOD REASON to get another snake.

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To the OP,go to you tube and type in "BASIC ball python set-up ( part1)"... Like I said above,it's a quick Basic simple inexpensive way to quickly separate your two snakes... Til u get the money for all the proper things you need.

the guy has hundreds of snakes,I'm sure he knows what he is doing...njus cause someone won a BP of the month,doesn't mean they know jack,just saying:)

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I'd take doolittles advice over yours any day. Pretty sure her kid has more knowledge than you.

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If you don't have the money to get a proper enclosure, or have the room to properly quarantine new additions, there is NO GOOD REASON to get another snake.

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He didn't say he didn't have the money or space, he simply asked a question and we are explaining why it's not a good idea.... only one person turned this into being about money as he usually does. Idk maybe it makes him feel special.

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If QT is not at all possible, and you only have one 20L tank and two babies, why not just get one of those "aquarium divider" things until you can have separate housing? Each baby snake will have its own "space", which will be smaller with its own hides, water bowl etc....while not the ideal situation, dividing the two halves of the tank is much better than letting them live together....

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He didn't say he didn't have the money or space, he simply asked a question and we are explaining why it's not a good idea.... only one person turned this into being about money as he usually does. Idk maybe it makes him feel special.

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x2 to the last part lol

Hey Bobbafet, I wasn't asking your advise on getting another snake. I asked a simple question about housing. It's actually none of your business what I do or get. If you don't wanna answer the question I'm asking stay out of it. My finances aren't an issue. I wanted to see if it was appropriate till I can order another rack. It obviously isn't so I won't. I'm not on this forum to listen to people insult each other or cause drama. I was just asking a very simple couple of questions.


J.Miles

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Originally Posted by NYHC4LIFE8899

Meant thermometer to measure air temp

thermometer $5.00
hygrometer analog $7.00
heat lamp and bulb maybe $20
tank $20.
Carpet for tank$8
ok so $60, that still ain't nothing.. It shouldn't be a problem cause if you own a pet u have to be ready for vet bills if it comes down to it,so either way if $40-$60 is a huge difference then u have financial trouble,like maybe you do,well I don't,i make just about a Grand a week :) Give or take,it's a great thing,haha..so I don't stress a diff of $20
in a 10 gallon,I'd just use a heat bulb and dome or a heat mat,no diff in hat case..in my 20 gallon I just have a heat lamp in my 29 gallon I have a heat bulb and UTH,depends the situation

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Do you not have a thermostat, dimmer, or rheostat to control your heating elements in your personal setups?

Yes there IS a difference in heat bulbs and heat mats. Ball Pythons do better on belly heat for digestion (which they don't necessarily get, but I could go into the biology of it if you're so inclined) rather than being baked by a lamp.

It doesn't depend on the situation, and I'm pretty sure you're snakes are probably dried out. Had a shed yet? You're inexperience is flaring it's ugly head, talking crap about a respected member and giving misinformation. When you get your first few full sheds and perhaps a good setup (why do people put snakes in fish tanks?), we'll let you speak for everyone.

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Hey Bobbafet, I wasn't asking your advise on getting another snake. I asked a simple question about housing. It's actually none of your business what I do or get. If you don't wanna answer the question I'm asking stay out of it. My finances aren't an issue. I wanted to see if it was appropriate till I can order another rack. It obviously isn't so I won't. I'm not on this forum to listen to people insult each other or cause drama. I was just asking a very simple couple of questions.


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Housing two specimens from different sources is a major quarantine violation...do so at your animals' risk. I just put together several qt tubs for a group I am expecting later this month, each tub costed about $20 after everything was heated and put into it. Running by Home depot and grabbing some 15qt tubs should not be an issue if your finances are good. Hell, buy the tubs and sell the 20-gal, you'll get your money back. Hope that helps.

I actually do +1 the tub idea, it's cheap and efficient.

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Do you not have a thermostat, dimmer, or rheostat to control your heating elements in your personal setups?

Yes there IS a difference in heat bulbs and heat mats. Ball Pythons do better on belly heat for digestion (which they don't necessarily get, but I could go into the biology of it if you're so inclined) rather than being baked by a lamp.

It doesn't depend on the situation, and I'm pretty sure you're snakes are probably dried out. Had a shed yet? You're inexperience is flaring it's ugly head, talking crap about a respected member and giving misinformation. When you get your first few full sheds and perhaps a good setup (why do people put snakes in fish tanks?), we'll let you speak for everyone.

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Originally Posted by NYHC4LIFE8899

Meant thermometer to measure air temp

thermometer $5.00
hygrometer analog $7.00
heat lamp and bulb maybe $20
tank $20.
Carpet for tank$8
ok so $60, that still ain't nothing.. It shouldn't be a problem cause if you own a pet u have to be ready for vet bills if it comes down to it,so either way if $40-$60 is a huge difference then u have financial trouble,like maybe you do,well I don't,i make just about a Grand a week :) Give or take,it's a great thing,haha..so I don't stress a diff of $20
in a 10 gallon,I'd just use a heat bulb and dome or a heat mat,no diff in hat case..in my 20 gallon I just have a heat lamp in my 29 gallon I have a heat bulb and UTH,depends the situation

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only one person turned this into being about money as he usually does. Idk maybe it makes him feel special.

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It's called overcompensating. It's usually a sign of insecurity in some way.

Play nice people. :rolleyes:

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Do you not have a thermostat, dimmer, or rheostat to control your heating elements in your personal setups?

Yes there IS a difference in heat bulbs and heat mats. Ball Pythons do better on belly heat for digestion (which they don't necessarily get, but I could go into the biology of it if you're so inclined) rather than being baked by a lamp.

It doesn't depend on the situation, and I'm pretty sure you're snakes are probably dried out. Had a shed yet? You're inexperience is flaring it's ugly head, talking crap about a respected member and giving misinformation. When you get your first few full sheds and perhaps a good setup (why do people put snakes in fish tanks?), we'll let you speak for everyone.

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While I agree with everything you said, with the proper setup balls will do just as good with back heat as belly. Granted I don't use a lamp I use a rhp and both my bps shed, and poop/pee perfectly.

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While I agree with everything you said, with the proper setup balls will do just as good with back heat as belly. Granted I don't use a lamp I use a rhp and both my bps shed, and poop/pee perfectly.

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I avoided the "needed" term for the instance. To say its wrong is wrong, but it says it's best or correct is also wrong.

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If you only have 2 snakes and you got them both at the same time, you can keep them together for quarantine. If you get more snakes you'll have to either put them in a separate room or start your quarantine procedure all over when the old snakes are exposed to the new snakes.

Top heat, belly heat, ambient room heat, all work just fine as a rule. Do what you like best.

It will make no difference in this instance whether or not you separate your snakes, they've been together already. So long as you buy from people with good reputations you shouldn't have any problems with a new snake. Perhaps a feeding lull or maybe mites, but most breeders don't have much disease in their snakes. The ones who do don't last long.

If it sounds too good to be true, whether it be price or size or morph, it probably is. Move on. Use the BOI on Fauna and ask here about people you want to buy from.

You haven't screwed anything up, you haven't made irrevocable decisions.

Good luck and have fun. You may also need to ignore some folks, but with the brains of a gnat, you'll figure out who in not time. There's a very viable candidate right in this thread.

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If you only have 2 snakes and you got them both at the same time, you can keep them together for quarantine. If you get more snakes you'll have to either put them in a separate room or start your quarantine procedure all over when the old snakes are exposed to the new snakes.

Top heat, belly heat, ambient room heat, all work just fine as a rule. Do what you like best.

It will make no difference in this instance whether or not you separate your snakes, they've been together already. So long as you buy from people with good reputations you shouldn't have any problems with a new snake. Perhaps a feeding lull or maybe mites, but most breeders don't have much disease in their snakes. The ones who do don't last long.

If it sounds too good to be true, whether it be price or size or morph, it probably is. Move on. Use the BOI on Fauna and ask here about people you want to buy from.

You haven't screwed anything up, you haven't made irrevocable decisions.

Good luck and have fun. You may also need to ignore some folks, but with the brains of a gnat, you'll figure out who in not time. There's a very viable candidate right in this thread.

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Bingo

I recently wrote a post about my two boys being in same tank as well. Someone put this link in my post. Its filled with good info. Whatever choice u make make sure its the one that's best for your little ones. Goodluck

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Co-habitation