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  • 11-11-2013, 05:49 PM
    Salem
    little help on choosing male please.
    Hi,
    so I have a pastel female from an albino sire and a black pastel dam.
    I love the looks of lessers and mojave, which male would produce "better" babies? Would like to jump at one this weekend so any advice would be appreciated.
    thanks
  • 11-11-2013, 06:07 PM
    Archimedes
    If you want one male to take care of both females, I'd go with Mojo. Can't go wrong with pastaves :3
  • 11-11-2013, 06:09 PM
    Crazymonkee
    I second the Mojave

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  • 11-11-2013, 06:10 PM
    Salem
    sorry I wasn't very clear, my only female is a pastel and her parents where an albino - the dad, and a black pastel - the mom.
  • 11-11-2013, 06:14 PM
    Bigfish1975
    Re: little help on choosing male please.
    My vote would be Mojave.
  • 11-11-2013, 06:21 PM
    MootWorm
    Maybe I misread, but how is that possible? An albino to bp cannot yield anything other than bps and normals het albino. Do you have a picture of her?
  • 11-11-2013, 06:26 PM
    Bigfish1975
    Re: little help on choosing male please.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MootWorm View Post
    Maybe I misread, but how is that possible? An albino to bp cannot yield anything other than bps and normals het albino. Do you have a picture of her?

    Good catch Mootworm. Pics would be nice. I hope you didn't get sold a normal as a "Pastel" as I did years ago.
  • 11-11-2013, 06:27 PM
    MootWorm
    Re: little help on choosing male please.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bigfish1975 View Post
    Good catch Mootworm. Pics would be nice. I hope you didn't get sold a normal as a "Pastel" as I did years ago.

    Thanks. For the OP's sake, that's what I'm hoping as well. Sorry for the rough ride on your pastel.
  • 11-11-2013, 06:31 PM
    Crazymonkee
    Re: little help on choosing male please.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MootWorm View Post
    Maybe I misread, but how is that possible? An albino to bp cannot yield anything other than bps and normals het albino. Do you have a picture of her?

    Definitely nice catch :)

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  • 11-11-2013, 07:09 PM
    Bigfish1975
    Re: little help on choosing male please.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MootWorm View Post
    Thanks. For the OP's sake, that's what I'm hoping as well. Sorry for the rough ride on your pastel.

    Thanks, it sucks to have happen and I hate to see it happen to others. This was a while back and I've learned quite a bit since then.
  • 11-11-2013, 07:11 PM
    Salem
    I actually think she may be a normal, but with those genes, and bred to a mojave, would I be able to produce anything besides normals?

    http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps09fa1525.jpg'

    I should say I am aware she is not old enough to breed yet, just looking to the future.

    she is in shed right now, excited to see how she brightens up after shed. :)
  • 11-11-2013, 07:29 PM
    Raven01
    Re: little help on choosing male please.
    If the sire was in fact an albiino even than breeding to an albino will give you roughly 50% albino offspring.
    Het albino will give 25%.
    I would consider going for an albino with another gene or 2 you like with that. Then worst case scenario you produce het albino and het albino + whatever else you chose if you were lied to and in you weren't then you could hit some albino and albino + whatever your first season.
  • 11-11-2013, 07:37 PM
    MootWorm
    Yep she's a normal. I agree with breeding to an albino, if that tickles your fancy. If not, maybe get a pastave to produce more of the same.
  • 11-11-2013, 11:40 PM
    Salem
    so breeding her to a mojave would only produce normals?
  • 11-12-2013, 12:04 AM
    Crazymonkee
    No there would be a chance for normals and mojaves

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  • 11-12-2013, 03:33 PM
    Productmur
    If you were sold a normal as a pastel, my first reflex would be to second-guess the gender, too. I would get her double-checked before you buy a mate for her, just to be sure, so you don't wind up with two males after growing them for three years.

    That all being said, you have yourself a pretty normal. She has almost no spots in her alien heads, or side pattern. :3 I personally think she would make pretty lessers, if you found a male with high-white sides and nice diffusion (blended sides). But overall, I think mojaves would provide the most stunning future combos when bred to something else. If you wanted a pastel, as was mentioned, getting a pastave could make pastels, as well as mojaves, and more normals and pastaves.

    I suggest, however, finding a more reliable source for your male so you actually get what you pay for.
  • 11-12-2013, 03:35 PM
    dgring
    Mojave
    definitely the mojave. I find they are better for breeding ;) and have nicer temperaments (less aggressive
  • 11-12-2013, 10:27 PM
    Salem
    Re: little help on choosing male please.
    yes, I am going to take my girl in to an awesome reptile store in my area to make sure she is a girl, lol.

    even if she is a he, I am still getting this albino boy, I think he is awesome. breeding is just a possible what if, these guys are pets and family members first. and I have wanted an albino for a while, didn't know they had come down in price. excited to find this one from a nice breeder.

    http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps9fa04aa9.jpg
  • 11-12-2013, 10:51 PM
    angllady2
    Well, the upside is, even if it turns out "she" is a "he", it is still het for Albino. Provided of course that the parents were in fact Albino and Black Pastel. Considering that whoever sold it to you told you it was a pastel and it isn't, I wouldn't bet on it having Albino blood in it at all.

    That being said. You have a lovely normal. If it is in fact a girl, I could see breeding her to a lesser. She should make lovely light colored lesser babies. I could also see breeding her to something light colored like a fire or vanilla. Her pattern suggests to me a spider or pinstripe. She should make beautiful reduced spider's or pinstripes.

    If it turns out that she is a girl, and you are getting that lovely little albino boy, then I would first pair them together and see if you get any albino babies. Since you would have one visual and one het, you would almost certainly get albinos from them. If not, then you can pretty much figure she isn't het after all.

    Gale
  • 11-13-2013, 11:02 AM
    Salem
    Re: little help on choosing male please.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by angllady2 View Post
    Well, the upside is, even if it turns out "she" is a "he", it is still het for Albino. Provided of course that the parents were in fact Albino and Black Pastel. Considering that whoever sold it to you told you it was a pastel and it isn't, I wouldn't bet on it having Albino blood in it at all.

    That being said. You have a lovely normal. If it is in fact a girl, I could see breeding her to a lesser. She should make lovely light colored lesser babies. I could also see breeding her to something light colored like a fire or vanilla. Her pattern suggests to me a spider or pinstripe. She should make beautiful reduced spider's or pinstripes.

    If it turns out that she is a girl, and you are getting that lovely little albino boy, then I would first pair them together and see if you get any albino babies. Since you would have one visual and one het, you would almost certainly get albinos from them. If not, then you can pretty much figure she isn't het after all.

    Gale

    thanks for the info, very helpful!
  • 11-14-2013, 12:18 AM
    Salem
    thanks again for all the awesome info, very much appreciated, but my boyfriend and I have decided to stick with Western Hognose for now, found an adorable girl we are going to have shipped next week, :)
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