What should I breed my "mimosa" with?

So I'm pretty new to all this and one of my two girls is a "mimosa", or ghost/champagne morph. She's absolutely gorgeous (looks like a really clean champagne and all the black is basically purple) and I think she could produce some cool babies.

I know what I'm breeding my other snake to, more or less, but I've really no clue what direction to take her in.

Again, I'm a noob so I really don't know much about how the genes interact aside from the basic dominant/recessive stuff.

So should I be looking for snakes that share the same recessive (ghost) trait and a different dominant one? Or the opposite? Or neither?

Of course suggestions of actual morphs to breed to are cool, but I'd like to understand why they're suggested.

Thanks so much for your time and patience!

I say pair her with a male enchi or lesser and if he is also hypo or het hypo then bonus. I recommended these two morphs based on personal preference. When it comes to the champagne morph I think the enchi champagne and lesser champagne look the best (don’t forget about the stunning and clean look of the pastel champagne)! Hope my input helps you deiced what direction you want to go in.

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Originally Posted by Jumbie

I say pair her with a male enchi or lesser and if he is also hypo or het hypo then bonus. I recommended these two morphs based on personal preference. When it comes to the champagne morph I think the enchi champagne and lesser champagne look the best (don’t forget about the stunning and clean look of the pastel champagne)! Hope my input helps you deiced what direction you want to go in.

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Thanks! Yeah that's pretty similar to the advice her breeder gave. I think he said enchi as well.

Do I definitely want to breed it with one of the lighter color morphs as darker things would sort of destroy the champagne color/patterning?

Other dominants I was looking at (from browsing around this site) were maybe mystic or mojave or something, although hypo-mojaves look cooler to me than hypo-mystics.

Hypo-champagne-mystic or hypo-champagne mojave maybe?

I think no matter what dominant morph I go with I'd like to try to find a male that is displaying the hypo/ghost trait to keep that going in the genes.

Yes, I'd definitely get something that is at least het hypo, if not homo hypo.

I like the look of cinnamon champagnes: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...agne-cinnamon/

Throw in a little hypo and that's a smoking animal. Or maybe a hypo pewter? Or hypo super pastel? I'd go for pretty much any hypo co-dom animal and then just pick your favorite of them. You can't really make a "wrong" choice here IMO. REally just whatever is your fancy.

Enchi is about the only gene strong enough to add pattern to the Champagne.

Pairing both my Champagne girls with Enchi Fire and Enchi Pastel.

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

homo hypo.

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This may not work,his preferences are apparently backwards

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

Yes, I'd definitely get something that is at least het hypo, if not homo hypo.

I like the look of cinnamon champagnes: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...agne-cinnamon/

Throw in a little hypo and that's a smoking animal. Or maybe a hypo pewter? Or hypo super pastel? I'd go for pretty much any hypo co-dom animal and then just pick your favorite of them. You can't really make a "wrong" choice here IMO. REally just whatever is your fancy.

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If you don't mind me asking, why co-dom and not just dom? (sorry if that's an incredibly basic/dumb question)

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Originally Posted by dkspftw

If you don't mind me asking, why co-dom and not just dom? (sorry if that's an incredibly basic/dumb question)

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The co-doms give you opportunities for supers, which means that many more morphs you can make down the road.

And right now, the only dominant morphs I can think of off the top of my head are pinstripe and spider, both of which are pattern morphs and wouldn't do much for your champagne projects.

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

The co-doms give you opportunities for supers, which means that many more morphs you can make down the road.

And right now, the only dominant morphs I can think of off the top of my head are pinstripe and spider, both of which are pattern morphs and wouldn't do much for your champagne projects.

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And super morphs could potentially still display even with the other dominant champagne morph genes in there?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the basics of genetics as I'm quite new to this--I guess I need to think of each morph as a unique gene that can be added on, rather than feeling like the snake only has one color or pattern morph "slot", and adding one can overwrite the other. I realize it might look this way visually, but I've gotta stop thinking that genetics work that way, haha.

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Originally Posted by dkspftw

And super morphs could potentially still display even with the other dominant champagne morph genes in there?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the basics of genetics as I'm quite new to this--I guess I need to think of each morph as a unique gene that can be added on, rather than feeling like the snake only has one color or pattern morph "slot", and adding one can overwrite the other. I realize it might look this way visually, but I've gotta stop thinking that genetics work that way, haha.

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except when they do!! :)
most don't but a few do. Like, I don't think for example you can have spark, spector, gravel and Yellow belly, they interact (I think) I don't think you can get more of 2 of these.

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Originally Posted by dkspftw

And super morphs could potentially still display even with the other dominant champagne morph genes in there?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the basics of genetics as I'm quite new to this--I guess I need to think of each morph as a unique gene that can be added on, rather than feeling like the snake only has one color or pattern morph "slot", and adding one can overwrite the other. I realize it might look this way visually, but I've gotta stop thinking that genetics work that way, haha.

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When we speak of dominant/co-dominant we are generally referring to the same gene, just different alleles (or versions) of that same gene. So pastel is co-dominant (really incomplete dominant) to the "normal" gene. Meaning if you have one pastel gene, you have a visual pastel, if you have 2, you have a super pastel (keep in mind each snake has 2 of each gene [1 from each parent]).

So as to your "pattern slot" question, each of the pattern genes has a "slot" for each gene. So you could have a genetic pinstripe-spider-genetic stripe-champagne snake. I have no idea what it would look like. But that's not the point. The point is these each are essentially genes that change the pattern of the snake, and if you keep adding them together, then what makes each unique will get muddled with the others, if that makes sense.

Think of it like a super fire, super lesser. Not the best example, but you would essentially have a snake that is homozygous for 2 sets of genes that give rise to an all white snake. Sort of a waste of gene combination IMO.

So the reason I personally wouldn't pair a champagne with a spider or pinstripe I don't think they would really add much to the champagne. Whereas some of the color morphs (eg, pastel, etc) would. And with pastel (and others), you could have pastel champagnes and super pastel champagnes, or more morph combinations down the road.

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

So the reason I personally wouldn't pair a champagne with a spider or pinstripe I don't think they would really add much to the champagne. Whereas some of the color morphs (eg, pastel, etc) would. And with pastel (and others), you could have pastel champagnes and super pastel champagnes, or more morph combinations down the road.

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Agreed on the color versus pattern morphs here. Also, isn't Champagne x Spider is a known fatal combo anyway, or is the info on WoBP incorrect?

enchi would be the first thing I add to champagne hands down.

So a pastel hypo enchi male would be a good bet?

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Originally Posted by dkspftw

So a pastel hypo enchi male would be a good bet?

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excellent choice.

you have a champagne (dominant) hypo (recessive). since hypo is recessive, the male should at least be het hypo, if not homozygous hypo. otherwise you would only get hets, no visual hypos. since it has champagne, the male should not have champagne, spider, woma, or hidden gene woma in it. (you get the lethal combos when you try to combine two genes that are known to have the wobble)

and enchi just works perfectly with champagne, it brings back some pattern to the champagne, enchi champagnes look really interesting. and since this is now well-known, enchi champagne combos are really popular and in demand.

so yes, a hypo enchi is quite ideal, pastel hypo enchi is even better.

Eeeexxxxxcelent.

http://alternativenation.net/wp-cont...02/mrburns.jpg

My thoughts.... I would invest in one of the following or a combo of
black pastel hypo
fire hypo
I love the greater instance of ringers in champs these two produce

Also have you seen the albino champ? It would be cool to go that route also so albino black pastel het hypo would be in my list also.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Agreed on the color versus pattern morphs here. Also, isn't Champagne x Spider is a known fatal combo anyway, or is the info on WoBP incorrect?

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Ya I wouldn't consider adding spider to a champ project unless you have some spare freezer space.

Here's the future daddy! Pastel hypo enchi, produced by Garrick DeMeyer.

http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps5e5635d5.jpg

holy crap, nice pick up. looking forward to see that pairing

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

holy crap, nice pick up. looking forward to see that pairing

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Thanks! We're probably about a year away, as you can probably tell from the picture, as the male is quite small. The female is gorgeous too but I don't have any good photos.

Daddy just came in! Weighed him at about 105g and he's a little skinny looking (spine a little sharp) but at that age that's probably from missing a week of feeding due to shipping.

He's a gorgeous little baby though and he's already exploring his new (temporary) enclosure.

Right now he's in a 20g high glass tank, but do you guys think I should wait for him to get significantly larger before putting him in a T8 when it comes? I've heard sometimes small snakes do poorly in big enclosures.

Maybe I should start another thread to get this answered...