Mink vs blue?

How exactly would you tell the difference I have what I believe to be a mink, bareback but he also kinda looks like a Blue? Any help is appreciated :)

What kind of blue? American or Russian?
Can you post a picture?

I have a litter of Russian Blues and Minks right now I think(I'm away for the weekend, so I can't be sure). If I remember, I'll get a new picture of them to compare.

Mink:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...s/DSC_0843.jpg

Russian Blue :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...Untitled-1.jpg

Russian Blue:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...28250662_o.jpg

Mink, American Blue, Lilac
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...s/DSC_0100.jpg

Lilac vs American Blue
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...s/DSC_0125.jpg


Mink in a litter of American Blues:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...s/DSC_0587.jpg

To be honest I've been looking everywhere for pics comparing the difference and I'm about 95% sure he's a mink however I will posts photos tomorrow when I have the light on my side xD

Omg those are some of the cutest little faces I've ever seen!! Sorry I'm not much help. I just had to comment on how cute they were!


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I wish I knew their colors/genetics better. I get 2 shades of blue/grey, not positive what they are. I've also been getting 3 different shades of beige. One if which I would almost call red. Sorry I'm no help.

Ask bsash. Shes familiar with rat pedigrees ;)

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Hey back with some photos, they're kinda blurry cause I have a ipad and he just wouldn't stop moving, but his colour shows pretty true.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/...ps39199ec7.jpg
Heres his his colour showing that he's a greyish brown, or rather a dull grey with a brown hue? Idk how to explain it but there's the photo. But he doesn't have banded hairs.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/...ps064c49aa.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4c7244d2.jpg
and there's two more photos for comparisons.

Definitely a mink! :gj:

Thanks satomi! Please do be upset if I contact you through pm for future rat refrance apperently you are THE person to talk to about rats/their colours :)

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Thanks satomi! Please do be upset if I contact you through pm for future rat refrance apperently you are THE person to talk to about rats/their colours :)

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Sure. Feel free. Sorraia and Snakesrkewl are good at rat IDs too.



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Ok thanks! :)

This may or may not help you, but I find it interesting so I'm going to share any way. :D

On a microscopic level, mink is actually a dilution of black pigment to brown. You can see this in a basic microscope. Depending on the "quality" of the mink, you'll see different shades of brown, or sometimes even black pigment.

In contrast, blue is not a dilution of pigment, but actually a redistribution of pigment. For both kinds of blue (American blue vs. Russian blue), the pigment is actually black. In American blue, the pigment is distributed evenly throughout the hair shaft. In Russian blue, the pigment is distributed unevenly. There can be some slight variation, but in general these are the rules. This uneven distribution of black pigment is what gives Russian blue its "heathered" or "ticked" look (note: this is not true ticking as seen in agouti where there are different bands of color, it is just different shades of gray varied throughout the hair shaft).

So if you look at the following horizontal lines, using "*" to represent pigment "granules", this is what you'd see in a microscope for the two blues.
American blue:
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **

Russian blue:
** * ** * * * ** * * ** * * ** * * **

Does that make sense? You can see how in the American blue the pigment granules are clumped together fairly evenly and consistently, where the Russian blue pigment granules are clumped unevenly and inconsistently.

Genetically Russian blue is described as "d" for "dilute" and American blue is described as "g" for "gray". The term "dilute" only refers to the overall appearance, because the gene does not actually dilute the pigment itself. In the UK different symbols are used, where American/UK (same thing) blue is described as "d" for dilute, and Russian blue is described as "rb" for Russian Blue.

Both blues will ALWAYS have black eyes. However some mink will have ruby eyes. In my personal breeding program, I have found that UK mink tends to have black eyes, where American mink tends to have ruby eyes. The more modifiers an American mink carries, the lighter their eyes. American mink without any dilutes can have extremely dark eyes, appearing black even. The American mink and UK mink are actually genetically distinct too, and both cause the fur to be diluted to a "brown" shade. Both exist in the US, though American mink tends to be more common. In my experience, UK mink tends more toward gray, where American mink tends more toward brown. Both are variable in shade, though American mink tends to be much more reactive to carried genes and modifiers. An unmodified American mink can be very dark, almost resembling chocolate (which is another distinct brown gene). There is possibly another "brown" gene, often called "Aussie mink" because it was first discovered in Australian rats. This gene is very rare in the US though.

Clear as mud? hehe

Actually what you say makes a lot of sense, I mean I've done rat genetics research before I even got rats, but to be honest blues and minks always stumped me and this is the first time It actually made sense, so I thank you for that. Thanks alot :)

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Actually what you say makes a lot of sense, I mean I've done rat genetics research before I even got rats, but to be honest blues and minks always stumped me and this is the first time It actually made sense, so I thank you for that. Thanks alot :)

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Glad it made sense! Once you see enough animals and learn the characteristics to look for, it gets easier, even when you get combinations. Kind of like ball pythons. Having bred rats for so long, I can identify most colors and combinations (there are exceptions), but I feel totally lost when it comes to ball pythons. I'm picking up the characteristics of some of the morphs, but a lot of them look the same to me! lol

See! Told yah she knows her rat stuff!:D

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