Slip on banana

Anyone else steadily losing interest in the banana/coral glow morph? A year ago it was my number one dream snake, currently I am annoyed with the flood of these things on the market and what has to be a record decline speed in the financial value of an amazing looking morph. Crazyness.


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I think they're beautiful.

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Originally Posted by kat_black181

I think they're beautiful.

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I'm not denying their beauty, just frustrating how non limited they are becoming. As a collector of shoes I prefer to own things that not every one has, something I can feel special about having because it's limited, and this just isn't gonna be the case for this gene. I honestly see them becoming as common as pastel or spider within a year or two, especially because they aren't a recessive gene and predominantly produce males which means the speed in which new clutches are going to be produced is going to be crazy fast.


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They are gorgeous, but like everything in the market now I am annoyed with the price drop. Nothing to do with the morph because the morph is absolutely amazing, I am annoyed with the market. But that is not exclusive to bananas, coral glows, or anything really. Give it 10 years and a scaleless BP will run you $500.

I think they are absolutely beautiful but because of the intensity of color they seem to work best with pattern morphs- whereas, color wise I wasn't wowed by a lot of the combos I've seen. That's just my opinion though.

CGs/Bananas are incredible.

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Originally Posted by bad-one

I think they are absolutely beautiful but because of the intensity of color they seem to work best with pattern morphs- whereas, color wise I wasn't wowed by a lot of the combos I've seen. That's just my opinion though.

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Agreed. I have yet to see a single combo that looks better than the base morph to me, and since they don't retain those colors into adulthood I'm afraid I just don't 'get it.' I'm hoping the supers might retain the color saturation as adults, that would get me on board the banana bandwagon.

The declining price of the bananas has been fast and does suck, but you have to also remember that the banana gene is such an amazing morph that everyone breeding and keeping ball pythons wants one. That in turn makes it so that everyone in the community wants one. So being a single owner of a rare animal that no one has is almost impossible unless you find something and keep it to yourself. I personally don't mind the huge decrease in value cause I don't have the financial funds to buy an expensive snake. It's nice that I can afford a beautiful snake and breed it to make beautiful morphs since making money isn't important to me.

But to Brian I can totally understand your frustrations on how something so awesome and rare became so common and cheaper in such a short period of time. Really short at that. Being a predominate male making snake doesn't help the rarity issue for the fact that males are readily available.

Maybe I'm crazy, but they really don't wow me. I don't know why, I really like the darker morphs, aside from the bumblebee.

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Originally Posted by BrianB801

I'm not denying their beauty, just frustrating how non limited they are becoming. As a collector of shoes I prefer to own things that not every one has, something I can feel special about having because it's limited, and this just isn't gonna be the case for this gene. I honestly see them becoming as common as pastel or spider within a year or two, especially because they aren't a recessive gene and predominantly produce males which means the speed in which new clutches are going to be produced is going to be crazy fast.


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I don't look at it that way because breeders are producing what consumers want. There will always be a huge market for bananas and the more visually striking morphs. It's just pure human nature to want something beautiful. I don't think there's any way to slow down that sort of demand.

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Originally Posted by Crazymonkee

Maybe I'm crazy, but they really don't wow me. I don't know why, I really like the darker morphs, aside from the bumblebee.

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I really enjoy the darker morphs as well. I can't wait to get my hands on a GHI...but alas, my pockets aren't deep enough yet.
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They're pretty snakes(the ones without the spots anyway) but the problem is that CO-DOMS can be produced to quickly that they don't hold their value. That's why the first ones who had them had to make that big money right up front.

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGuy

They're pretty snakes(the ones without the spots anyway) but the problem is that CO-DOMS can be produced to quickly that they don't hold their value. That's why the first ones who had them had to make that big money right up front.

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I guess that's where it differs with me. I don't care about the big money or getting it first.

I will buy the snakes I think are beautiful, and if I decide to breed, then I will breed for that reason and not for the money.

my wife and I both like the banana morph but like others it a funding issue. I didn't know they loose the color as they get older I like to see a adult picture then.

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Originally Posted by kat_black181

I don't look at it that way because breeders are producing what consumers want. There will always be a huge market for bananas and the more visually striking morphs. It's just pure human nature to want something beautiful. I don't think there's any way to slow down that sort of demand.

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Yeah I agree, these will always be a seller, even when the day comes that females are going for 150. So a breeder will always have for sure income if producing bananas. I just wish they would be a recessive lol that way someone could own one and it still be some what limited, or a snake that an average hobbiest would have to save a little for and would still have that sense of pride like when buying a pied, toffee, or lavender albino. Eh jus ranting I guess lol


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Originally Posted by BrianB801

Yeah I agree, these will always be a seller, even when the day comes that females are going for 150. So a breeder will always have for sure income if producing bananas. I just wish they would be a recessive lol that way someone could own one and it still be some what limited, or a snake that an average hobbiest would have to save a little for and would still have that sense of pride like when buying a pied, toffee, or lavender albino. Eh jus ranting I guess lol


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I understand what you mean. With them being so readily available, it takes a bit away from the work of getting them. With that comes the fact that a great deal of them will go to people who don't understand the responsibility of these animals.

I don't think I'll ever get tired of hatching snakes that look like this.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...BananaWoma.jpg

Never had much interest in Bananas, especially after seeing the pic I posted below years ago...

Not great looking as adults and I hate the black spots all over them...

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Originally Posted by mechnut450

my wife and I both like the banana morph but like others it a funding issue. I didn't know they loose the color as they get older I like to see a adult picture then.

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Here's an adult pic of a Banana that was posted on King Snake around 2005 or 2006...I have no clue who's pic or animals this is...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...lthetClown.jpg

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Originally Posted by kat_black181

I don't look at it that way because breeders are producing what consumers want. There will always be a huge market for bananas and the more visually striking morphs. It's just pure human nature to want something beautiful. I don't think there's any way to slow down that sort of demand.

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Beautiful or not the demand is slowing some, but the supply is way more than the demand can even come close to matching, especially for males ...

I was initially not interested in them due to the price. But then I started thinking about the possibilities of breeding bananas, and decided I need one. Yes, I'll pay the $2,500 that I've seen them at now if they don't go lower. I think morphs like the banana pin and banana lemon blast (banana + lemonblast is, so far, looking to be my first banana pairing) are well worth it because I, personally, like it, and that's all the encouragement I need to buy one, be it now or next year.

I suppose it depends on if you personally like darker or lighter BPs. I tend to enjoy the lighter morphs, so banana for me is something I feel I need in my life.

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

I don't think I'll ever get tired of hatching snakes that look like this.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...BananaWoma.jpg

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Like I said, they are beautiful. Which is why it saddens me to see how common they are becoming. Example, Ferraris are beautiful, but if every one in your neighborhood had one you would probably lean towards buying something different. And it sucks because like Ferraris vs other cars, there are not very many snakes more or as beautiful as the Banana/Coral Glow. :/


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You cant compare ferraris to bananas. Ferraris can not be reproduced through breeding.

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Originally Posted by Bugmom

But then I started thinking about the possibilities of breeding bananas, and decided I need one. Yes, I'll pay the $2,500 that I've seen them at now if they don't go lower.

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Sorry, but they're already going for half that. If you're doing it because you love the morph and the price is not an issue, then go for it, but I suspect you'll be seeing them for $300-400 this time next year.

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Originally Posted by Badgemash

Sorry, but they're already going for half that. If you're doing it because you love the morph and the price is not an issue, then go for it, but I suspect you'll be seeing them for $300-400 this time next year.

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BHB still has theirs at $2,500. That's who I usually check first for prices. $1,500 is the lowest I've seen it, and that was searching today. But while I'm seeing them for cheaper today, yes, I don't think they are all that great compared to some of the others I've seen that are selling for more. They don't look as nice. Maybe they'll be $400 in a year, maybe they won't, but price isn't the first consideration for me - how much I like the animal is.

BHB is usually over priced on stuff for the quality IMHO

I've never really understood the rare collector item aspect to ball morphs. The few things I've had that were rare I couldn't wait to produce more. Kind of a shame it took banana soo long to get established so more people could enjoy it. Maybe they where building quietly those first 7 years and there was more production than we heard about and the price should have been declining more moderately over the entire 10 year history of production rather than building up all the pressure for all the drop in the last 3 years or so. At least if there aren't production problems (and maybe whatever is going on with gender ratios was a problem for banana early on) you can figure ridiculously high initial prices will eventually fuel enough production to spread these hot newer morphs around.

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Originally Posted by joebad976

You cant compare ferraris to bananas. Ferraris can not be reproduced through breeding.

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How can I not compare that? it's a hypothetical scenario, not actual....


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If I wanted and could afford a Ferrari and they were just as well built as they are now I'd have a Ferrari even if everyone on the block had one. Personally I think it's ludicrous to want something just because nobody else has one. What matters to me is whether or not I like something and I couldn't care less how many of them other people have. When Bananas reach a price point that I am comfortable paying, then I will buy one even if they eventually drop to 20 bucks each.

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Originally Posted by Crazymonkee

Maybe I'm crazy, but they really don't wow me. I don't know why, I really like the darker morphs, aside from the bumblebee.

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Originally Posted by kat_black181

I really enjoy the darker morphs as well. I can't wait to get my hands on a GHI...but alas, my pockets aren't deep enough yet.
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I agree with you both! I much prefer a GHI over a banana/CG

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

Never had much interest in Bananas, especially after seeing the pic I posted below years ago...

Not great looking as adults and I hate the black spots all over them...

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I also hate the black spots. They make the snake look like they have mites. I just don't find it attractive at all. Not only that, but he bright colors as a baby actually hurt my eyes. It's too bright!

Give me something dark any day!

While I also prefer a good mojave ghi over bananna combos any day, once they are cheap I will pick up a banana as a pet. I love the bright coloration and how the dots contrast the banana coloration.

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Originally Posted by BrianB801

Anyone else steadily losing interest in the banana/coral glow morph? A year ago it was my number one dream snake, currently I am annoyed with the flood of these things on the market and what has to be a record decline speed in the financial value of an amazing looking morph. Crazyness.


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Originally Posted by BrianB801

I'm not denying their beauty, just frustrating how non limited they are becoming. As a collector of shoes I prefer to own things that not every one has, something I can feel special about having because it's limited, and this just isn't gonna be the case for this gene. I honestly see them becoming as common as pastel or spider within a year or two, especially because they aren't a recessive gene and predominantly produce males which means the speed in which new clutches are going to be produced is going to be crazy fast.


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I look at it from the total opposite direction. I just see it as coming closer to a reality of owning one without having to spend more than I'm comfortable with to get what I want. It also won't be long before they hit pet pricing and that will open up the market big time.

As for wanting to own something nobody else has in the bp world, unless you happen to buy some crazy one off non genetic mutation, forget it. There are a couple of handfuls of breeders in the country who will always jump and spend big money to get what they believe are going to be the next new hot morphs and breed the crap out of them. Markets will always flood and prices will always drop, no differently than the banana...it's just doing it a slight bit quicker because of the saturation of male maker males which are what we're seeing priced at the bottom of the price range.

One other thing, I do see adult bananas on a regular basis and they look way better than the picture posted of an adult. Of the lighter colored end of the spectrum genetics, I think they're one of the best at holding their color and looking great as adults, both in combos and alone.

If you like them, buy one, and lots of people will. If you realize you don't like them as much as you thought then be glad the market ran like it did and caused you to think about how much you may or may not have actually liked them, save your money and spend it on something different...nobody forces any of us to buy a banana or any other morph. :)

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Originally Posted by BrianB801

How can I not compare that? it's a hypothetical scenario, not actual....


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Because you can't buy a ferarri, ram it into 5 yugo's and then expect to get 20 more ferarri's out of them. :gj: