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Pastel Progression, Come Share
I'm interested to see how your pastels have progressed over the years. I'm especially interested to see the change in exceptional examples after they reach several years of age and close in on their max size. I only have experience with a lone female from hatchling to adult but I'm sharing her story to give ya'll an idea of what I'm after.
I picked up this girl in 2008 at the Daytona expo, she was my first BP morph. I was buying her in a package deal with a spider male. Being the newbie I was, I asked the breeder to help my untrained eyes pick out a good one. She was deep in shed but the breeder assured me she was the best pastel female he had there. The folks over at MorphMakers did right by me and when she shed out she was a very bright yellow.
Here's the earliest picture I have of her. I wasn't picky about lighting and flash back then but even so I think you can tell she's an above average example of the morph. She's probably in the 300-500g range in this picture:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...100_0069-1.jpg
Fast forward a couple of years and here she is during her first year of breeding in 2010, probably in the 1200-1300g range and 2 years of age. Again, not very good pictures but you get a fair idea of her degree of yellow next to a dark spider male. At this point you are seeing her "brown out line" better but she is still very yellow. This picture is also taken with the flash:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...s/100_0826.jpg
Going ahead yet another year to 2011 breedin season and she's closer to the 1400-1600g mark and still very yellow at this size and 3+ years of age. She's being paired with a my fire male. This picture is also taken with a flash:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...s/DSC02957.jpg
She kept on growing in the off seasons and her clutch sizes increased as well. Her first clutch was 5 eggs, second clutch shown here is 7 eggs:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...s/DSC03412.jpg
Shortly after dropping the above clutch and I finally get wise on outdoor pictures, without flash, in natural lighting(overcast seems to be best). This picture has a bit more sun than I like but still showing her to be a nice, yellow pastel at 4+ years and in the 1700+ gram range but with a well defined "brown out line":
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...s/DSC03567.jpg
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...s/DSC03564.jpg
Another picture around the same time, no flash again and with a little less sun - the way I like it:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...s/DSC03635.jpg
And now we come to last season. She seems to have maxed out in size at right around 2000g and 5+ years of age - she hasn't put on the size she had the previous 2 seasons after dropping clutches. I had planned on giving her a year off but the lady has such a feeding and breeding drive. Within a couple hours of removing her from a clutch and cleaning her tub the gal has taken a meal and puts weight back on incredibly fast. I could count the number of meals she's refused on 1 hand(not including deep into breeding season). Much of her yellow has faded to a pale cream color that I personally find pleasing but others would probably call browned out. She remains to this day one of my favorite royals. She's currently in shed but I'll get an updated shot when she peels out of that old skin. Until then, here she is with one of her 2012 babies earlier this year:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps6231f176.jpg
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If anybody has similar progression pictures/stories please share. Browning out is a natural progression of the morph but I would like to see how this affects pastels of the higher caliber. We've all seen pictures of browned out babies to adults. Let's see some quality youngsters and their progression to adulthood. I'm especially interested in single gene examples but if your pastel is het for something or other feel free to share too, just include the information por favor.
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I don't have pics of any of my pastels from when they were hatchlings.
I got my 1.1 Pastel het axanthic pair when they were around 700 grams. They are low quality but this is my female. I am trying to squeeze axanthics out of them this year and then they will unfortunately not be with me anymore. They are too low quality for me to keep as breeding stock.
800 grams - 2 years old (Bought her from someone who fed them ASF, still on ASF but I got them switched to F/T ASF so that I could afford to feed them)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/9/8/june.jpg
1300 grams - 2 1/2 - 3 years old
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/...tel1300grF.jpg
2500 grams - 4 years old
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...bad_pastel.jpg
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Cool thread!
One thing thats crazy, idk if it's coincidence or not, but my friend has three pastels. One is a Normal pastel, one is het pied and one is het ghost. The hets have held their color MUCH better than the regular pastel. Kinda crazy to think that het genes might affect color. And my super pastel het pied has a ringer, WICKED.
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Fun thread :)
My first pastel male as a baby, NERD/Lemon line
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...is/020-4-2.jpg
All growed up, not too pretty. I think he has another gene in there that I'm trying to figure out
he throws some gorgeous babies though. 3 years old in this pic
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...20Sale/036.jpg
My a female graziani, got a great deal on her because she was an ugly duckling
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ed/025-4-1.jpg
3 years later, I love her
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ingrats034.jpg
One of my male's babies, I believe she carries the same gene he does, so she's a bit ugly
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t.../babies017.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...Untitled-3.jpg
Her a year later
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps790207c8.jpg
And a different daughter of my male, he throws GORGEOUS pastels as long as they don't carry that extra gene
(assuming that's what's going on)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...Isis/024-6.jpg
A year later
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps48ce262f.jpg
And for giggles, my male and his babies, he's not a pretty pastel, but he throws some gorgeous babies!
The orange one in the middle, the "orange thing", is the "gene" I think he carries that makes him ugly.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psc90ad53c.jpg
And this is my male, his two daughters on the bottom, and the graziani female on the top left (no relation)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psad0d83d6.jpg
That male also just threw this male pastel, I think he is the most gorgeous pastel I have ever hatched!
This is why I don't say "never breed an ugly pastel".
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...pse0cf5f69.jpg
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters
Fun thread :)
My first pastel male as a baby, NERD/Lemon line
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...is/020-4-2.jpg
All growed up, not too pretty. I think he has another gene in there that I'm trying to figure out
he throws some gorgeous babies though. 3 years old in this pic
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...20Sale/036.jpg
My a female graziani, got a great deal on her because she was an ugly duckling
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ed/025-4-1.jpg
3 years later, I love her
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ingrats034.jpg
One of my male's babies, I believe she carries the same gene he does, so she's a bit ugly
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t.../babies017.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...Untitled-3.jpg
Her a year later
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps790207c8.jpg
And a different daughter of my male, he throws GORGEOUS pastels as long as they don't carry that extra gene
(assuming that's what's going on)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...Isis/024-6.jpg
A year later
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps48ce262f.jpg
And for giggles, my male and his babies, he's not a pretty pastel, but he throws some gorgeous babies!
The orange one in the middle, the "orange thing", is the "gene" I think he carries that makes him ugly.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psc90ad53c.jpg
And this is my male, his two daughters on the bottom, and the graziani female on the top left (no relation)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psad0d83d6.jpg
That male also just threw this male pastel, I think he is the most gorgeous pastel I have ever hatched!
This is why I don't say "never breed an ugly pastel".
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...pse0cf5f69.jpg
That male really gre into a good looking pastel - it just goes to show.
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by decensored
That male really gre into a good looking pastel - it just goes to show.
Yes it does! Even my pewter out of him turned out really nice, we'll see how he looks with age I suppose!
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...pse04eb814.jpg
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I don't have any pastels but I will say that some of you have some very nice ones.
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I just wanted to throw out this addition to this thread--this is one of Stephanie's babies, possibly by the "ugly" male she mentions above. She's about 100 grams here and in shed (obviously), but I thought I'd just add it to the image bank. I cannot WAIT to see how she's doing once this shed is done, her head already looks much brighter than the rest of her (I just got her several days ago and haven't seen her not in shed yet...it's like waiting to open a gift!).
http://i.imgur.com/Ojs6AdZ.jpg
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by babyeater
I just wanted to throw out this addition to this thread--this is one of Stephanie's babies, possibly by the "ugly" male she mentions above. She's about 100 grams here and in shed (obviously), but I thought I'd just add it to the image bank. I cannot WAIT to see how she's doing once this shed is done, her head already looks much brighter than the rest of her (I just got her several days ago and haven't seen her not in shed yet...it's like waiting to open a gift!).
http://i.imgur.com/Ojs6AdZ.jpg
She is one of his daughters :) I'm excited that she's shedding for you! I can't wait till you see her once she's done shedding!
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters
She is one of his daughters :) I'm excited that she's shedding for you! I can't wait till you see her once she's done shedding!
I know! I was shocked when I lifted up the hide and saw a big piece of skin sticking out from her head! I really didn't expect it until next week. This is a very good sign. She's spending nearly all her time in her hides and I think overall things are going very well.
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Thanks everyone so far, keep them coming!
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by decensored
Oh I forgot to mention I don't have a pic of her as a baby but this is her offspring.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...lm85g2shed.jpg
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Just wanted to say that as I new pastel owner--and an owner of a very young one at that--I LOVE this thread. I really wish there were some sort of database of individual snakes' progression documented over their lifetimes, categorized by morph. I imagine more insight into gene behavior might be had by such a database.
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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This is Sarabi, my NERD line lemon pastel.
First pic is the night wepicked her up, she was about 105g, I believe. Not the best pic. The second one is from last week. Just coming up on 300g.
I'm in love with her yellows.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...36592687_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...15172842_n.jpg
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I don't have any baby pictures of my pastel. My husband got him about 2 months ago. Here is what he looked like the day he brought him home. According to his previous owner he is about 2 and a half years old. I will try getting some new pictures of him after he goes through his shed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psb0aca5bc.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psa2f40b1a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps24d88001.jpg
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Got my 2012 pastel out for some pictures for someone and thought I'd throw in some progression shots of her. Most of the pictures are with other snakes for comparison and taken under similar light settings(outside, natural light, overcast, no flash).
Her with some pastel clutchmates, she's the snake on the left. This was probably first or second shed so they're right around 100g here:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...stelclutch.jpg
This picture was probably taken the same day but it's a solo shot:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...malepastel.jpg
With her firefly brother, around 400-600g I'm guessin:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...psbad925de.jpg
With her mamma at around the same size as above:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps6231f176.jpg
Again with firefly brother taken today, they're both just under 1000g now:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps12a1fdb4.jpg
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Pastel Progression, Come Share
She's holding color very well.
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I don't have progression pictures of my pastel as I haven't had her that long. I have this picture I can share though :) I need to get one of moody pants in natural light :)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...5c7c476bc34bf2
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Miss moody pants in natural light, not very bright at all but wouldn't change her for the world! :)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...47944503_n.jpg
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by Naom9Anne
Pretty blushing!
Mines the same way... not super bright, but is blushing beautifully :)
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
Not much progression, as he's still pretty young, but here is the before and after his first shed with me. He just shed (near perfect!) again last night, so I'll snap a couple pics tonight.
His first big break in modeling..
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps460ead01.jpg
After his first shed with me..
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb3wfaefq.jpg
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/a...pspnt23igu.jpg
I love this little guy! :D
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Thanks again folks. If it pleases you, add a pic every now and again as your pastel(s) grow. Just reply to your old post(s) with the same snake in it so they are together for the sake of easy comparison.
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl
Same guy, fresh paint :gj:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...psf511a44f.jpg
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by John1982
Updating mother/daughter shot, 2 generations of pastels. They are pictured second to last in the above pictures. The 2008 female is now just over 3000g(guess she wasn't done growing afterall) and has increased in size by a whopping 50% of her pre-lay weight from last year. The 2012 female is over 1200g now and seems to be holding her colors even better than mom was at her size. Hopefully in another year or two I'll have a 3rd generation to add to these progression pictures. Shots were taken outside, without flash but with a bit more light than I generally accept. Their colors were showing true though so I kept the pictures. You can see the mother is more of a cream colored while the younger pastel is still very much yellow.
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps78697e64.jpg
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...psde2765ab.jpg
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps3754678a.jpg
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...psa6200bb8.jpg
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters
Fun thread :)
My first pastel male as a baby, NERD/Lemon line
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...is/020-4-2.jpg
All growed up, not too pretty. I think he has another gene in there that I'm trying to figure out
he throws some gorgeous babies though. 3 years old in this pic
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...20Sale/036.jpg
My a female graziani, got a great deal on her because she was an ugly duckling
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ed/025-4-1.jpg
3 years later, I love her
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ingrats034.jpg
One of my male's babies, I believe she carries the same gene he does, so she's a bit ugly
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t.../babies017.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...Untitled-3.jpg
Her a year later
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps790207c8.jpg
And a different daughter of my male, he throws GORGEOUS pastels as long as they don't carry that extra gene
(assuming that's what's going on)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...Isis/024-6.jpg
A year later
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps48ce262f.jpg
And for giggles, my male and his babies, he's not a pretty pastel, but he throws some gorgeous babies!
The orange one in the middle, the "orange thing", is the "gene" I think he carries that makes him ugly.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psc90ad53c.jpg
And this is my male, his two daughters on the bottom, and the graziani female on the top left (no relation)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psad0d83d6.jpg
That male also just threw this male pastel, I think he is the most gorgeous pastel I have ever hatched!
This is why I don't say "never breed an ugly pastel".
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...pse0cf5f69.jpg
In the tenth picture, what is that little teeny tiny balled up baby? It's so pretty! I'm new so sorry if it's obvious 🙈
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by Sammiebob
In the tenth picture, what is that little teeny tiny balled up baby? It's so pretty! I'm new so sorry if it's obvious 🙈
Definitely not an obvious one so you're good! It's a pastave (Pastel Mojave). And thank you :)
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He is my Pastel Jimmy he is currently weighing 99 grams. The picture is not the best because it is in low lighting.
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/...psb0c4a5c9.jpg
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
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Originally Posted by marqese
The first name that came to me when I saw your snake was Galaxy.
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Re: Pastel Progression, Come Share
This is Bridget when I first got her
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...aa449fd63e.jpg
A few months later
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...3a178251e4.jpg
And this is her now :)
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...daa7381275.jpg
She may not be the prettiest pastel but to me she is :) lol
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