COMPLETE breeding walk through

Can someone go through the WHOLE process of breeding ball pythons? From choosing two snakes that you want to breed to caring for the hatchlings? I think it'd be kind of interesting to hear exactly what goes on when you breed.

Might I suggest the search function. Thats alot of information for someone to sit and type out. There are tons of great threads with loads of info already here on that topic. :)

Try buying this DVD. Explains it quite well. Also search the videos on world of ball pythons

http://www.ballbreeding.com/buy_now.html

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http://www.ballpython.ca/gallery/breeding.html

And check out the Sticky threads in the Breeding section of the forum. Cruising around the Breeding sub-forum in general should answer all your questions.


As for choosing your breeding pairs, general rule of thumb is to pick the best examples of the morphs or snakes to breed together.
If a snake is a poor example or pet-grade, most people here would say it is not breeding worthy and should not pass on those genes. It just muddies up the gene pool. In the end, it is your choice on what to breed, but that's the general consensus.
Poor examples will more likely breed more poor examples in general. And vice versa where A+ grade snakes will more likely breed more A+ grade animals as well.

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

Might I suggest the search function. Thats alot of information for someone to sit and type out. There are tons of great threads with loads of info already here on that topic. :)

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I know, but I was looking for something that's all put together. Thus why I labeled it COMPLETE walk through :p I haven't found any complete guides so far.

You could always go through all the threads and make the guide yourself :p It's a ton of work to write this up.


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The lazy way is always easier.

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Originally Posted by grcforce327

The lazy way is always easier.

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And this is the problem with this country.

Just do your own research and see what you like, breeding snakes isn't set to one specific way of doing it, there are tons of different ways. Just do your own research and come up with a plan.

Here ya go. Keep in mind that this is one person's method of breeding start to finish. http://www.ballpython.ca/gallery/breeding.html

There is already a book buy it and read. http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-B.../dp/9780971319

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Originally Posted by grcforce327

The lazy way is always easier.

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Yes it is!

It is a vast subject with different answers, the information is out there for those who are seeking it, I think that if you are really passionate about what you do searching and gathering information on your own will be much more rewarding as a future breeder than it would be if you were being spoon fed.

Once you go through the information you gather if you have specific question I have no doubt people will answer your question.

Now here are some thoughts, breeding requires time, commitment, money and above all PASSION

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I think the only reason people like them is for their morphs/$$$. There are too many of them out there, thus a bunch of people having a bunch of low end morphs laying around, or a bunch of noobs with Ball Python(s), mistreating them, and caring for them incorrectly. Perhaps if I found something besides Pastel's and Normal's all over the place, I wouldn't mind Ball Pythons so much. And I don't even want to start about how they're finicky eaters... We'll be here all night... They never come out, never interact, etc.. Just hide and eat, and hide and eat.

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If there wasn't so many flooding expos, and being neglected, I'd love 'em. Couldn't understand how anyone could breed them (unless they're breeding high end morphs).

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This does not show passion to me and I would not advise someone feeling this way to breed Ball Pythons.

So why would you want to know how to breed ball pythons if you do not like them? By your very own words you can not understand how anyone could breed them so with that why would you even care to know how to?

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Originally Posted by Deborah

This does not show passion to me and I would not advise someone feeling this way to breed Ball Pythons.

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This. Because chances are, you're going to lose money at some point breeding, it's just inevitable. But if you are truly passionate for the animals you won't be upset losing money because your passion outweighs your greed.

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Originally Posted by Trackstrong83

This. Because chances are, you're going to lose money breeding, it's just inevitable. But if you are truly passionate for the animals you won't be upset losing money because your passion outweighs your greed.

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Fixed. ;)

Best way to make a million dollars breeding reptiles?
Start with 2 million.

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Originally Posted by tattlife2001

So why would you want to know how to breed ball pythons if you do not like them?

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Who said that? O.o I don't want to breed them. I don't want to breed any snakes (atm) I don't like the risks, and the complications that can kill your snakes,born the babies dying. If I do breed, I'd probably start with corns, and then BCI's, BCC's, Etc.

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

Best way to make a million dollars breeding reptiles?
Start with 2 million.

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Not true. How/Why else would a person breed? You think BHB looses half their money, but continues to breed over 30,000 reptiles? I think not.

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

Who said that? O.o I don't want to breed them. I don't want to breed any snakes (atm) I don't like the risks, and the complications that can kill your snakes,born the babies dying. If I do breed, I'd probably start with corns, and then BCI's, BCC's, Etc.

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Why would you ask people to waste a ton of time writing up something you have no interest in doing? You have said you don't like you're ball, so why waste peoples time and energy? If you're curious, use the search function and do some research.

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

Not true. How/Why else would a person breed? You think BHB looses half their money, but continues to breed over 30,000 reptiles? I think not.

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Because they love the hobby and are passionate about the animals?

Huge breeders are the exception, not the rule.

Can you make money breeding reptiles? Sure. Assuming you have 150k+ initial investment, and plan on being in the red for many years.

That's the entire point of that saying. You need money to make money.

And here we go........


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Originally Posted by DooLittle

Why would you ask people to waste a ton of time writing up something you have no interest in doing? You have said you don't like you're ball, so why waste peoples time and energy? If you're curious, use the search function and do some research.

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I wouldn't necessarily call it a waste of time or energy... Everyone who viewed this thread could learn everything they need to know within a single thread. A lot of people would benifit from it.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

http://www.ballpython.ca/gallery/breeding.html

and check out the sticky threads in the breeding section of the forum. Cruising around the breeding sub-forum in general should answer all your questions.


As for choosing your breeding pairs, general rule of thumb is to pick the best examples of the morphs or snakes to breed together.
If a snake is a poor example or pet-grade, most people here would say it is not breeding worthy and should not pass on those genes. It just muddies up the gene pool. In the end, it is your choice on what to breed, but that's the general consensus.
Poor examples will more likely breed more poor examples in general. And vice versa where a+ grade snakes will more likely breed more a+ grade animals as well.

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Lock it already...... before it gets too stupid in here......

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

lock it already...... Before it gets too stupid in here......

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lol

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

Lock it already...... before it gets too stupid in here......

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Are you calling me stupid??? Let's fight, IRL!

J/k :)

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

I wouldn't necessarily call it a waste of time or energy... Everyone who viewed this thread could learn everything they need to know within a single thread. A lot of people would benifit from it.

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BP breeding can't be written out like a text book. There is no one set way or method. Just because person A does it one way doesn't mean person B or C does it the same way. Everyone does it differently to reach the same results.

For example, some people cool their snakes prior to breeding. I personally don't cool. Some people leave a hot spot while others have no hot spot, but have a higher ambient. Some people leave their males in with their females every other 4 days while some just put their males in once a month. Etc etc. There is no one set way.

The point is, one person is going to write up a novel about breeding for you, but not everyone is going to agree or do that.

Just read the threads and the stickies, watch YouTube videos, and talk to different breeders. Research and observe how other people do it to come up with something that will work for you and your animals.



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everybody does it diff, i first started an took all the advice i could get. tweaked it my way an it works

Thanks, everyone. I appreciate it.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...e-a-look/page2

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Originally Posted by scooter11

Try buying this DVD. Explains it quite well. Also search the videos on world of ball pythons

http://www.ballbreeding.com/buy_now.html

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:number1: X2 - This is a very good resource, showing you step by step. Once you learn they way, you can adjust it to what is best for you.

This might help you put what you're asking for into perspective. There is a very popular (human) pregnancy book called 'What to Expect When You're Expecting'. It's 351 pages long and it doesn't cover how the baby actually got in there.

You are essentially asking for someone to write you a 300-??? page book on a forum. A lot of the people here are pretty helpful but everyone has limits!

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Originally Posted by satomi325

BP breeding can't be written out like a text book. There is no one set way or method. Just because person A does it one way doesn't mean person B or C does it the same way. Everyone does it differently to reach the same results.

For example, some people cool their snakes prior to breeding. I personally don't cool. Some people leave a hot spot while others have no hot spot, but have a higher ambient. Some people leave their males in with their females every other 4 days while some just put their males in once a month. Etc etc. There is no one set way.

The point is, one person is going to write up a novel about breeding for you, but not everyone is going to agree or do that.

Just read the threads and the stickies, watch YouTube videos, and talk to different breeders. Research and observe how other people do it to come up with something that will work for you and your animals.



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This is very well put. I started out a few years ago and found a lot of information on this site, youtube, World of ball pythons, and through talking too and picking the brains of a number of very helpful breeders at the shows. Its a relatively small community with some very helpful people. I just had a great 3rd breeding season and produced some really nice animals.

The old saying of "There's more than one way to skin a cat" definitely applies. You'll find, maybe over the course of a few seasons, what works for you and what doesn't. Just because a big name breeder does something one way in their temperature controlled warehouse with a full-time staff, doesn't necessarily mean that you have to do it the same way. I suggest taking a look at WOBP to see what you like and/or would like to make. Always try to plan ahead with caging (you'll always need more space) and breeding plans. Try and make some contacts with local reptile/pet stores so that you can have a place to sell or trade the offspring. Then start applying the information gathered. Warning... you'll get hooked the first time you see little heads poking out of eggs. Most important piece of advice is to have think of the animals not the dollars and always have fun.... Good luck.

Easy bro, take your male into a female cage starting November. After you see sex, you can take him out. You do this once a week with every female. Stop when you see bumps on your female. Buy incubator make temps to be about 89 degrees

wish I had a COMPLETE breeding guide when I started hahahaha .. there is no such thing though, because every breeder uses some variations of the "common breeding techniques", we all have our own way of doing things .. good luck on finding this COMPLETE breeding guide though, I am pretty sure none of us have 20+hours to spend on writing a reply for 1 forum post :) not to mention we probably wouldn't even cover 10% of it in 20hours of writing xD

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Lock it already...... before it gets too stupid in here......

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Not if EVERYONE acts like ADULTS. ;)

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Easy bro, take your male into a female cage starting November. After you see sex, you can take him out. You do this once a week with every female. Stop when you see bumps on your female. Buy incubator make temps to be about 89 degrees

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Perfect example: Why November?? Some of us breed year round.:gj:
BTW cooling is not needed either.;)

Everyone does it all a little different.


Now if the kid truly does want to expand his knowledge, Who are we to judge him.
There are a couple of you here that have mad bad posts, member?? You member. :cool:

On that note, B.O.S....................Read first ""HERE""/ think about it, then decide.
Smaller breeders must have a passion because we all lose money every year on our collections.
If you think big breeders don't go in the red then you need to look at the whole picture.
It takes a lot of other things to keep you in the black. Also think about what they were paying for their original single gene morphs.
You current morph pricing value seems to drop every year as more people get into breeding and others try to undercut the market value to make a quick buck.
You are asking for a life time of knowledge that is different for all of us.
Before my a.d.d. kicks in I'm gonna cut it short here.

I have no desire to breed Ball Pythons unless (maybe) I started with something really nice. No one's going to buy an expensive snake, and take bad care of it (or not a lot of people anyways. I'm sure there are some people who have.). But at the same time, more expensive snakes seem like they'd be a harder to sell. So Idk. I am passionate about snakes, and my original plan was to (believe it or not) breed Ball Python's exclusively! Lol. I am from a really poor family. I wouldn't have a single snake if I didn't get a job when I turned 16. The reason I bring up being poor is because I have a lot to lose if I end up with a bunch of baby snakes that are too expensive to sell. I don't like all the risks that cone with breeding, as I've said before and I think I'm pretty content with just owning and loving my snakes!.... For now!