Desert Female Update

As promised, I'm keeping my word and providing you with an update on the clutch from my Citrus Pastel Desert. This is from the FIRST and ONLY proven Citrus Pastel Desert female. ** Disclaimer - Don't breed your Desert females and please be respectful with answers towards each other. ** Thank You. This was a duo sired clutch of (6) total eggs. Mother was Citrus Pastel Desert bred to a Pastel Calico and Mystic. Super Citrus Pastel Calico Desert the "Oasis", Citrus Pastel Mystic Desert, Super Citrus Pastel (possible Desert), Pastel, Calico, Mystic. This clutch was hatched on 08-29-13. Also a special thanks to Amir for his support and assistance.

Super Citrus Pastel Calico Desert "Oasis"

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/IMG_2256.jpg

Citrus Pastel Mystic Desert

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/IMG_2260.jpg


Super Citrus Pastel (poss Desert)

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/IMG_2268.jpg

Pastel

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/IMG_2270.jpg

Calico

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/IMG_2271.jpg

Mystic

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/IMG_2276.jpg

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Thank You,

Joe

Cross Exotics

Congrats on a healthy clutch!
They are very amazing looking hatchlings!

How can you tell there is desert in the first animal? From the reduced pattern?
Does desert negate the effects of calico since super pastel calicos usually have that washed out/sand blasted look to their patterns as well?

Again, congratulations. :)

I have not seen many Deserts or crosses in person but from what I have seen and what I see here I say you nailed it and you got the female to produce... Now if only we could know the secrets. Congrats they are all beautiful and you are extremely lucky to have them. If I was you I would hold each and every one back to try to get some more females that produce. Maybe you got one that will and by making a line from her you could possibly get more that do.

I thought Oasis was a desert fire Mojave? Congrats on the clutch

Congratulations, they are beautiful.

Beautiful babies!

I'm not seeing Desert in any of them...I've never hatched a desert or desert combo though so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about...:D

Great looking babies though. Any pics of the parents?

Congrats!

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I thought Oasis was a desert fire Mojave? Congrats on the clutch

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I stand so very corrected, Oasis was taken so back to the drawing board. I'll post pics of the parents later, but mom is my avatar at the moment. Thanks for the comments too :D

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Congrats

Those are some stunning hatchlings. Congrats.

The two sires for the clutch.

Mystic male

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...e/IMG_2250.jpg


Pastel Calico

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...e/IMG_2247.jpg

The CPMD is :bow::bow::bow::bow:

I thought you couldn't have 2 fathers for one egg? Pretty babies none the less.

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Originally Posted by interloc

I thought you couldn't have 2 fathers for one egg? Pretty babies none the less.

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I don't see it listed anywhere that he has 2 fathers for the same egg. It was a multi sired clutch meaning the calico and mystic both fertilized some of the eggs hence the results he is seeing.

OP: Congrats they look great. Nice variety in that clutch.

Oops. I read citrus pastel mystic desert as 4 genes instead of 3. My bad. Ignore the previous post

Sorry, but I don't see Desert in any of those animals.

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

Sorry, but I don't see Desert in any of those animals.

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I agree.

I agree, no deserts in there ...

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

Sorry, but I don't see Desert in any of those animals.

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I'm afraid I don't either.

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Yeah. I don't see desert either, which is why I asked how they identified desert.

Nice babies, either way.

i'm not seeing desert either? but what do i know? lol i think if you really want to lay everyone's doubts aside (and before you go naming it your own "line"), you need to get a straight up wild type male to breed to her, and produce single gene deserts.

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

i'm not seeing desert either? but what do i know? lol i think if you really want to lay everyone's doubts aside (and before you go naming it your own "line"), you need to get a straight up wild type male to breed to her, and produce single gene deserts.

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I agree with this.



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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

i'm not seeing desert either? but what do i know? lol i think if you really want to lay everyone's doubts aside (and before you go naming it your own "line"), you need to get a straight up wild type male to breed to her, and produce single gene deserts.

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I agree with this also

I don't see desert in any of those babies. I think Amir made a mistake.

Before i get stoned to death by an angry mob... NO i am NOT saying amir's a bad breeder or shady or a ballerina or anything else people want to infer. I'm simply saying that i believe he made a mistake with the dam's genetics. Shes just a pastel, no desert in there.

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

i'm not seeing desert either? but what do i know? lol i think if you really want to lay everyone's doubts aside (and before you go naming it your own "line"), you need to get a straight up wild type male to breed to her, and produce single gene deserts.

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I also agree with this as well as what Mike said. I think to truly know, without ANY doubt, you need to breed her to a normal male. Then you will ONLY get deserts, citrus pastels, and citrus pastel deserts if she truly is a citrus pastel desert. Once you do that breeding trial this season, then you go go naming your own line, world's first, whathaveyou. If she doesn't produce any single gene deserts (because those are pretty obvious if you hatch one), then you can reevaluate the dam's genetics. Big breeders do make mistakes. Honestly, once you get more than 3 or any combination of close-in-color genetics into play, things can start to get a little muddy.

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

I think to truly know, without ANY doubt, you need to breed her to a normal male. Then you will ONLY get deserts, citrus pastels, and citrus pastel deserts if she truly is a citrus pastel desert.

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Possibly,not"ONLY"! What about normals?

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Originally Posted by grcforce327

Possibly,not"ONLY"! What about normals?

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Well, yes, you can get normals. I was mostly referring to the only morphs you will get. I forget that people on this forum are horribly nit picky and uptight about that.

No arguments with anyone guys and I wish a single gene Desert had shown as well for total confirmation. I totally see all points being made, and I'm not saying what I have isn't what I have. I do thank you all for the input and I'll keep you informed with the progress as I have said before. :)

Thank You.

No deserts there. She's just a funky pastel. It happens.

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

Well, yes, you can get normals. I was mostly referring to the only morphs you will get. I forget that people on this forum are horribly nit picky and uptight about that.

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Nit picky would be pointing out you used the word mostly when it shouldn't of been used at all :)

Someone corrected your mistake, no reason for name calling now.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Nit picky would be pointing out you used the word mostly when it shouldn't of been used at all :)

Someone corrected your mistake, no reason for name calling now.

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I was not name calling towards that person. I was describing the forum atmosphere as I see it from my perspective.

I also did not make a mistake. I said exactly what I wanted to say, I just failed to remember that there are very technical people on this forum who want things stated explicitly even if some things could be inferred.

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

I was not name calling towards that person. I was describing the forum atmosphere as I see it from my perspective.

I also did not make a mistake. I said exactly what I wanted to say, I just failed to remember that there are very technical people on this forum who want things stated explicitly even if some things could be inferred.

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Name calling could of been inferred and I would hardly call it technical. To each their own tho.

Congratulations to the OP on hatching out some beautiful babies and I wish you the best of luck.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Nit picky would be pointing out you used the word mostly when it shouldn't of been used at all :)

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*have* :P

In all seriousness, congrats on your clutch Cross Exotics (Desert or not). What's Amir's take on all of this?

Nice clutch!! Did all the eggs hatch( I forgot how many eggs there were)?

All 6 hatched and are healthy :D

Very pretty hatchlings, but none of them have the Desert gene. Whose input did you seek before posting these mislabeled combos?

Either way, always good to see healthy hatchlings.

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I had also bought a few snakes from said seller and they proved out to be something they were not, like a specter turning out to be a fire, a female that was a male, etc, etc. I know a few others as well that bought snakes from him that did not turn out what they bought. Needless to say I will never buy from said seller again! I figured I would write you since you will probably get a lot of hits on the thread with most people saying they are not deserts. I do not see desert in any of the animals either.

Curious, are any of those female?

I'd be curious to see in a few years in these females are also successful at producing viable clutches.

Do you know what I did with my so called specter male that was actually a fire or the citrus pastel calico that I bought as a female and ended up being a male? I chalked it up as a lesson learned. I preferred not to even bother with it, it was not the first time this happened with purchases from him, and I felt the best corrective action at the time was to cut loose and simply take my money elsewhere. I had customers lined up waiting to buy Specters and Super stripes from my “Specter X Vanilla YB” and what I hatched out was Vanilla Creams! Not bad, not complaining, but when you buy a Specter from a “big breeder”, and you are told it’s a Specter from that “Big breeder” and you believe it’s a Specter, and it’s not, it’s is disappointing to say the least. I paid $1000 for a $200 fire. I simply chalk it up to lesson learned!
I’m posting not to trash anyone, but to let the OP know that he is not alone. I’m sorry, but I’m another that does not see Desert in any of those babies and chances are they were sold a Citrus pastel and likely not by mistake. There are many others in the same boat as you that were sold something that it was not, some have come forward, many do not to avoid any backlash for calling out a well known breeder by their supporters that just want to protect their interest, friend, or God.

Good luck Cross Exotics and I wish you well. You still have a beautiful clutch in my eyes.

Sorry to say but having seen lots of desert stuff there is no desert in anything you posted. Honestly the dam doesn't look like she is a desert either. I would get a 100% normal male and see what comes out. I'd be willing to bet the farm no desert comes from this.

I would call it a tropical pastel... since there is no desert

do you know what line of desert you are working with? are these pics pre or post shed?

So.......regardless of whether or not the snake is a desert....why would this not be called an Amir line? Was the snake not originally bred and purchased by Amir?

So she is now an Amir line Citrus Cross Exotics line Desert? :weirdface

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Originally Posted by tikigator

So.......regardless of whether or not the snake is a desert....why would this not be called an Amir line? Was the snake not originally bred and purchased by Amir?

So she is now an Amir line Citrus Cross Exotics line Desert? :weirdface

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there are two known lines of desert. pk and P.E line. P.E line is much more well known and typically holds it color better as it ages. Pk line tends to brown out

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

Very pretty hatchlings, but none of them have the Desert gene. Whose input did you seek before posting these mislabeled combos?

Either way, always good to see healthy hatchlings.

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Presumably, Amir.

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My citrus pastel calico clutch this season. Note that these are right out of the egg after cleaning up. There are no supers. Only citrus pastel calicos, calicos and citrus pastels.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psb04245cd.jpg

Great looking clutch but I agree with the others - no deserts in this clutch.

Kinda confused why you are insisting that they are?