help with ID please

Here she is she was purchased as a grown on female she has recently bred to male spider.

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Not a snake man myself this is all for dad, he says he don't believe it's "normal" due to the lack of colour and head markings and the babies that have came from here.


She had 5 eggs, all five hatched out. No normals.

Babies are week old and going into shed however here's a few pics--- it's his 1st royal breeding so he's a bit over joyed. Although one of the babies does seem very "phantom spider" like to my un trained eye.

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please note they are in shed or going into shed, they are very golden.

I don't see anything that would make me think she is anything other than a normal?

As far as all five eggs being spider babies..............that is either great luck with the odd gods OR the possibility of the day being a super form?
I have only heard of a couple proven super spiders that throw all spiders every time.
I am not too familiar with it though, hopefully someone with more information will chime in.

I am in the uk, as far as I know the spider was possibly one of the first through nerd line.
I have spoken with Ralph Davis and he called it a "dinker" and said to his eye the some off the babies look at bit jacked up and something is at play.

I'm not sure what's going on, but I definitely think something is. Each one of those spiders is amazing!

I'll have new pics of the babies Sunday, dad says they are even brighter now !

There is definitely something else going on there. Especially the one in the lower left of the group shot. It's missing a good chunk of pattern.

Mom definitely looks pretty weird to me. nothing that i can say for certain. but Those three spiders on the left are HOT and definitely look to be double gened. The two on the right look to be normal spiders..Definitely worth keeping a Male and breeding back to mom. Hopefully it's that one in the bottom left.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I don't see anything that would make me think she is anything other than a normal?

As far as all five eggs being spider babies..............that is either great luck with the odd gods OR the possibility of the day being a super form?
I have only heard of a couple proven super spiders that throw all spiders every time.
I am not too familiar with it though, hopefully someone with more information will chime in.

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the super spiders that have actually made it through incubation are solid white snakes. some form of leucistic. none survive though.

OP- i'll take one if you're givin em away. ;)

i'd hold back a male and breed it back to momma.

i think from these pics it might be a cinnamon? maby:confusd:

she might be heterozygous for a genetic stripe trait. some of the babies look like they have that barbed wire kind of stripe pattern. Like, the ones on the left look like het reduced het genetic stripe. Or something similar to that. These are some het stripe het reduced babies that nerd produced. they look kind of similar. http://shop.newenglandreptile.com/14...tic-stripe.jpghttp://shop.newenglandreptile.com/16...en-reduced.jpg

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

the super spiders that have actually made it through incubation are solid white snakes. some form of leucistic. none survive though.

OP- i'll take one if you're givin em away. ;)

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Not to hijack the thread or anything but could you provide some form of proof for the super spider being solid white? Or is this another one of those i heard it from someone who heard it from someone else?

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Originally Posted by tattlife2001

Not to hijack the thread or anything but could you provide some form of proof for the super spider being solid white? Or is this another one of those i heard it from someone who heard it from someone else?

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http://www.reptileradio.net/ball-pyt...results-2.html post #13

all i can find right now. it's late and i have to be up in 6 hours for an 8 oclock class. there have been others produced, but most of them never even make it through incubation. it's a debate that gets beaten to death every time it's brought up and i've been in it about one too many times. lol there are others who's opinions i think very highly of that believe the same, so do the research yourself and come to the conclusion you want, but i'm too tired to get into a huge debate over the subject. lol

edit: wait, didn't you do a huge study on this or something..?

Thank you for the input guys

at the time of the pic the two on the right were in shed (1st shed) other were coming - when they were first born they were all near on the same colour (golden)

Looking at a straight visual on the babies I would have said "phantom spider" or "mystic spider" although mum doesn't look like either really or could she just be a bad looking one ? Or is she a HET, but all 5 eggs hatched out of 5 and these turned up? Was I really that lucky ?

if she's a stripe carrier where has that intense gold/yellow came from?

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

the super spiders that have actually made it through incubation are solid white snakes. some form of leucistic. none survive though.

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I believe there was one member here that has a male spider that throws full spider clutches every time. I know it was a long time ago when I read about it. I also have not seen anyone claiming a white snake as a super spider:confusd:

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the gold yellow color could have came from the spider. Especially when they are young their colors are pretty vivid. Theres a chance that they will darken up in shedding in the upcoming year. I had a few month old normal and she was a bright yellow until about 6 months in and she got a lot darker and didn't look like a pastel anymore. :(

Mom almost looks like a chocolate to me. I'd like to see the babies all post-shed, too. You have pics of the dad?

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Originally Posted by ClarkT

Mom almost looks like a chocolate to me. I'd like to see the babies all post-shed, too. You have pics of the dad?

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X2 I thought she looks like my chocolate I used to have.