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  • 08-24-2013, 05:45 AM
    sasT
    we got a MYSTERY clutch on our hands!!
    Hello everyone,
    here is the deal - i bred my supposedly "Super Butter" female (completely white snake with blue eyes) with ONLY my Lesser Enchi male
    here is a picture of them breeding:
    http://shrani.si/t/3p/Kr/4aE6mBA4/0051.jpg

    anyway the results were as follows - 3 white BELS (one of the had defected eyes - they seems to be smaller than normal) and 2 "butters" .. one of the butters looks like a normal butter to me, however the second one looks COMPLETELY different :O
    normal butter:
    http://shrani.si/t/2b/d4/1O0vSJtj/su...y-butter-2.jpg
    "supposedly" butter:
    http://shrani.si/t/2M/YD/3gHA91oy/su...y-butter-1.jpg

    so what on earth is going on here :S
    thank you for your help
  • 08-24-2013, 06:01 AM
    kevinb
    I'd almost hazard a guess and say your super butter BEL is actually a Mojave x Butter/Lesser BEL and the other "butter" is really a Mojave.


    Just my $.02 since the second one is so dark.
  • 08-24-2013, 06:53 AM
    rlditmars
    Re: we got a MYSTERY clutch on our hands!!
    Congrats on the clutch. Both of them looked to be Mojave to me. I would agree your BEL is not a Super Butter/Lesser but a Mojave X Butter/Lesser. The head isn't dark enough for Super Mojo. You may want to contact the breeder you acquired her from and see what they have on record. Cool babies just the same and at least you hit three BELs. Now the problem is what are the BELs? If you girl is Mojo Lesser?Butter then they could be either Super Butter/Lesser or Mojo X Butter/Lesser.
  • 08-24-2013, 09:58 AM
    joebad976
    Plus how will you know if any of the bels also carry the enchi gene without breeding them out.
  • 08-24-2013, 12:01 PM
    Neal
    I can't tell you the whole clutch thing, but I will say congrats on the babies.
  • 08-24-2013, 12:44 PM
    satomi325
    Re: we got a MYSTERY clutch on our hands!!
    Its a Mojave. (The one you call a butter looks butter/lesser)

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  • 08-24-2013, 02:14 PM
    snakesRkewl
    The super is a mojave butter/lesser, the only explanation possible unless there was a chance at retaining sperm from a previous pairing with a mojo
  • 08-24-2013, 03:11 PM
    MarkS
    That second one does look like a mojave, it's possible that it could be a particularily dark butter, but from the picture it looks like a mojave to me which would make your white snake a butter x mojave BEL. It looks like you missed on the enchi gene unless one of the BELs you produced is carrying it.
  • 08-24-2013, 03:33 PM
    sasT
    could it be possible that it's not a mojave but a phantom? I already contacted the breeder i bought her from to see if he can explain this but he hasn't answered yet
  • 08-24-2013, 04:20 PM
    MarkS
    I think if it were a phantom, your BEL would have a lot more pattern to it.
  • 08-24-2013, 04:27 PM
    jsmorphs2
    Re: we got a MYSTERY clutch on our hands!!
    I can't see the picture of the sire very well on my phone but is it possible that he's actually a Mojave Enchi? Just a thought if you are 100% confident the female is a super butter because that is definitely a Mojave baby.

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  • 08-25-2013, 07:49 AM
    grcforce327
    Re: we got a MYSTERY clutch on our hands!!
    I see no mystery at all. Just someone who didn't know what type of lucy he has.
  • 08-25-2013, 12:54 PM
    hypersomniacjoo
    can we see pics of the BELs from this clutch
  • 08-25-2013, 12:56 PM
    Archimedes
    I'm seeing a Mojave, no question.
  • 08-25-2013, 01:02 PM
    Kodieh
    The second "butter" looks Mojave to me. :)
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