considering breeding this season

Hi there,
I've been lurking on this site for a while and I've posted a couple times... I think... but I'm considering breeding my normal male bp this season. Now before anyone asks yes I have done all the research on what it entails and I am fully prepared for if I can not sell all the babies, if I decide to sell them all. I'm considering doing one pairing for one clutch because I figure that is a safe bet for a first time breeder. My question is what would be a good morph to start out with? Now I know that is probably a VERY loaded question, but I'm just kinda looking for opinions and I appreciate any response I get. Thank you in advance.

~Artemisace

A spider or pastel female would not run you a lot of money and would be a good starter morph.

I personally would not encourage breeding a normal male but you are welcome to do as you please.

There are a whole bunch of proven breeder females on the market right now... A pinstripe would be a nice, reasonably priced choice :gj:

Thanks for the advice, but why would you not suggest breeding a normal male? Is it because about half the babies would be normal?

There is nothing inherently wrong with breeding a normal male - I'm sure he'll appreciate the opportunity. :) Having said that, it does not make economical sense for breeders to do this. Males can be bred to multiple females during breeding season, so it makes more sense to spread a more diverse male's genes around to the less diverse females than the other way around (from a business perspective).

Also, yes, there is the piece of having 50% normals, but you'd end up with those odds in any single-gene x normal pairing regardless of which parent was the morph.

I say go for it. When/if you get a larger collection, then you can worry about genetically greater males vs females. Have fun!

I see what you're saying and I was told something similar by the shop owner of the place I got my male sexed at. Although he did say that if I was going to breed the male it would probably be a good idea to go with, in his words, the biggest baddest snake I can afford. He then proceeded to point out a two month old lesser queen bee he had for sale and told me something like that would be a good bet, well when she was old enough to breed anyway. Would that be a better idea than just a single morph female x normal male? Or would single gene male x single or multiple gene female be a better suggestion? I feel like I'm asking a lot of dumb questions lol.

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Originally Posted by Artemisace

two month old lesser queen bee.

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It's just called a Queen Bee(lesser/spider/pastel).

oh lol thanks, that's the way the guy said it to me so I guess it got stuck in my head that way.

if you wanted to get into seirous breeding you want yor male to have more genetic power than the female(s) he is going to breed although i have put a two gene male with a three gene female once because i didnt want to stretch my male thin it was his first year but for your first year get a single or double gene female breed your male to her you will get addicted and get a better male next year

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Originally Posted by jms0620

for your first year get a single or double gene female breed your male to her you will get addicted and get a better male next year

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That made me laugh thanks for the advice, I'd like to get a male with more genes but when I bought him I wasn't sure I wanted to breed. I've already kinda fallen in love with ball pythons so I'm sure if I can produce babies my addiction will only grow lol.

so true. if you got a double gene female you would have less chance of normals and hold back one or two

Keep lurking

Good luck with breeding, wish you the best.

Go for it, have fun I wish you the best. I will warn you they are additive.I started with one BP on a Monday, that weekend I went to a reptile show and bought three more. There are so many morphs that I want and want to make. So I will be breeding to feed my addiction.:)

I've been cruising worldofballpythons.net and their big morph list and it's insane how many morphs of ball python there I mean holy crap, I don't think I've even looked through half of them. There are so many I'd love to own so I think after this first clutch of whatever I happen to produce I will be addicted.

male normals are pets ... Nobody in their right mind would breed a normal to a queenbee female when you could buy a simple $50 pastel male and make killer queenbee's, and more queenbees, and super pastels, and so on.
A male normal will bring nothing to the table when it comes to breeding, so they are basically pets.

First off, good luck with your breeding project! Second, I'd have to agree with the majority here. If I were in your position I would start off with a simple single gene male like a pastel or spider, and a nice single or double gene female. Keep the normal as a pet, nothing wrong with that! We bred a male het ghost to a huge normal female last year, just to get the experience of a clutch, as none of our other females were up to weight. We ended up with a bunch of pet quality normals that we sold as just that, pets. This year we have whos your daddy clutches from mojave, pastel, spider males to pinstripe and normal females. Next season we will be trying for pieds along with some other wicked combos. Start simple but definitely think about taking the normal out of the equation. Nothing wrong with it per se, just more bang for the buck is all.

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Thanks for the advice and I don't plan on doing more than just my first clutch with the normal. Next season I plan on having a single or multi gene male and another female so that I can take that male to both the females, who knows maybe I'll keep a male out of whatever morph I decide to go with this time and he'll be my next breeder. But at the moment I want the experience I know the normals will just be pets from a business stand point, but at the moment for me even normals will be worth it for the experience. I know that probably sounds weird, but that's how I had worked out in my crazy head lol :P

I see no problem with what you are trying to do. You have stated numerous times that it is just for the experience. I have seen people on here that have taken normal x normal pairings. For the experience. Some people on here look for the "pay out" or what's the best bang for the buck. You are looking for a suggestion for the experience I would suggest a pastel or spider.

Thank you, speaking of pastels what is the difference between a lemon pastel and a "normal" pastel? Is it a different gene or is it a allelic to pastel?

Never mind another thread on here answered my question for me.