Reptile Abuse Video on Huffpost

I couldn't even press the play button:

"Decapitated Snake Bites Itself"

Supposedly the snake was a copperhead (didn't watch to verify) and because it was in the woodpile, killing it was necessary to protect child and dog. Lots of comments about the dangerous "poisonous" snake.

Would a news outlet show a video of a decapitated puppy?

Idiot. I hate videos like that. He's laughing and having a good time while he watches this poor little thing just squirm and die.

It's one thing to protect your family, but that snake could of been relocated and even humanely killed instead of letting it suffer. I wish that snake would of bit the guy and some amazing way him break both of his legs and not be able to speak while he suffers from the bite. I agree with the machete thing. I just looked him up on facebook, not sure if it's actually him or not but if I see the same state then I'm going to give him a piece of my mind and I won't watch my tongue.

I think you guys are getting carried away. Wishing harm on someone for that is inappropriate. I'd have killed it. Wouldn't even think twice about it. The guy isn't a part of our culture so you can't expect him to behave as we would. And comparing a puppy to a snake is no comparison. But I am sure if it was a decapitated wolf or coyote biting itself there'd be a video of that. I know we love snakes and all here but I think some of you are just too sensitive about some things.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

I think you guys are getting carried away. Wishing harm on someone for that is inappropriate. I'd have killed it. Wouldn't even think twice about it. The guy isn't a part of our culture so you can't expect him to behave as we would. And comparing a puppy to a snake is no comparison. But I am sure if it was a decapitated wolf or coyote biting itself there'd be a video of that. I know we love snakes and all here but I think some of you are just too sensitive about some things.

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I would never actually do something like that, would I really want life in jail for something so minor? Just in the moment. Sorry if I offended anyone

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

I think you guys are getting carried away. Wishing harm on someone for that is inappropriate. I'd have killed it. Wouldn't even think twice about it. The guy isn't a part of our culture so you can't expect him to behave as we would. And comparing a puppy to a snake is no comparison. But I am sure if it was a decapitated wolf or coyote biting itself there'd be a video of that. I know we love snakes and all here but I think some of you are just too sensitive about some things.

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Well that's your opinion and your entitled to it. But as stated previously, it presented no immediate danger to the family, could have been relocated or simply left alone. The laughter at its decapitated actions was grossly unnecessary.

Unless we were in immediate harm, I wouldn't kill a venomous snake. If I was able to take proper precautions and move it out to a safe location, I would.

However, I'm not above killing it if it's gong after me, my dog, or my family and there is no time to go get a shovel or bucket.

Would I feel bad? Probably. But as much as I love snakes, my family and dog come first.

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Originally Posted by Recreation

Well that's your opinion and your entitled to it. But as stated previously, it presented no immediate danger to the family, could have been relocated or simply left alone. The laughter at its decapitated actions was grossly unnecessary.

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X2! The laughter is what frustrated me, there is no need for the commentary or laughter, or even filming it IMO.

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While I did not click on the link because I knew it would hurt my heart :( I would like to comment on the fact that where I live in Upstate NY we have Copperheads, Rattlesnakes, and Cottonmouths and even before I became a snake lover we never killed the snakes in our yard just to protect ourselves! People that laugh and use these snakes as comedy or as badges of honor should be introduced to a world without them, a world where the rodents they kill run all over their homes carrying hantavirus and the plague and then they will wish they didnt kill a snake for the fun of it or just because it was a snake!

I was raised in Texas where we did ranching so we came across snakes all the time. I was taught at a young age that venomous found around the house were to be killed by cutting off their head. Non venomous were to be left alone due to their abilities to control mice and such. So that is what I had always done until I found out the proper way to "kill" a snake. I still have mixed emotions about relocating a hot snake. The cost of treatment if something went wrong in relocating the snake overrides my emotions so I probably would have done the same thing as the guy in video minus the decapitation and laughing about it. The reptile community is not as large as some people seem to think so the only good snake is a dead snake mentality is norm . Which in all honesty might be the best thing because if every joe blow decided they could relocate hots we will have a lot of inexperienced handlers getting bitten. Just my two cents and I do not condone the actions of the guy in the video due to his enjoyment of the kill.

That is just brutal...

So, I'll revisit two things.

1) Relocation should be done by someone who knows how to handles HOTs. Not Jo Blow citizen. I've seen plenty of videos of people who thought they knew what they were doing getting bit. Also, unless you are in a rural area already, where are you gonna relocate it to if you had the expertise? I live right next to a city park with a lake. Never seen a snake but if I saw a venomous one I would not just leave it be. Hundreds of people go through that park every day. I would feel real bad if I let it go and heard it bit someone later. Animal removal specialists aren't available everywhere. And most aren't free. So that's not always an option. And calling 911 will just get a cop out there who will probably just shoot the thing.

2) The whole laughter thing. This is where tolerance is needed. And really it would be hypocritical, at least for me, to make fun of the guy. Because I hate bugs being in my house (ants, roaches, flies, etc). I will kill them on site. I don't give a flying crap about what pain or suffering they might feel. And I'd probably think it amusing if a nearly dead roach started eating itself. And I tell ya, if I see a whole bunch of bugs in one spot, especially roaches, I will go batcrap crazy and start going on a mad killing spree usually accompanied by maniacal laughter. I am sure there is a bug lover community out there that has pet roaches and stuff that would have a similar reaction as some of you if they saw that.

That's my opinion on it.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

So, I'll revisit two things.

1) Relocation should be done by someone who knows how to handles HOTs. Not Jo Blow citizen. I've seen plenty of videos of people who thought they knew what they were doing getting bit. Also, unless you are in a rural area already, where are you gonna relocate it to if you had the expertise? I live right next to a city park with a lake. Never seen a snake but if I saw a venomous one I would not just leave it be. Hundreds of people go through that park every day. I would feel real bad if I let it go and heard it bit someone later. Animal removal specialists aren't available everywhere. And most aren't free. So that's not always an option. And calling 911 will just get a cop out there who will probably just shoot the thing.

2) The whole laughter thing. This is where tolerance is needed. And really it would be hypocritical, at least for me, to make fun of the guy. Because I hate bugs being in my house (ants, roaches, flies, etc). I will kill them on site. I don't give a flying crap about what pain or suffering they might feel. And I'd probably think it amusing if a nearly dead roach started eating itself. And I tell ya, if I see a whole bunch of bugs in one spot, especially roaches, I will go batcrap crazy and start going on a mad killing spree usually accompanied by maniacal laughter. I am sure there is a bug lover community out there that has pet roaches and stuff that would have a similar reaction as some of you if they saw that.

That's my opinion on it.

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Roaches and stuff are considered pests, not generally considered pets. Any person with common sense can relocate a hot, It's simple. A broom handle and a 5 gallon bucket with a top. The first snake I ever relocated was a cottonmouth and it was by that exact method. I was 10 years old and hadn't had a pet snake ever in my life. I can get the fact that people aren't taught the proper way to humanely kill a snake, but the laughter is what tickled a nerve for me. That and the idiotic commentary that was unnecessary and to add to the fact that he recorded this. That was inhumane in my book. I don't like the way he was cruel to the snake, regardless of the species.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

I tell ya, if I see a whole bunch of bugs in one spot, especially roaches, I will go batcrap crazy and start going on a mad killing spree usually accompanied by maniacal laughter.

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Even if you did I doubt you'd video it and post it on the internet. The guy in the video is almost as big an idiot as the folks who let their puppy get too close to their burmese python, took a video of the inevitable results, and put it on FB.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Roaches and stuff are considered pests, not generally considered pets.

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I know people who keep roaches as pets.

I also know that plenty of people, including family, who count snakes as pests.


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It sounded to me like the guy's laughter was more like, "Holy crap! I can't believe I'm seeing this!" than, "HA HA HA! Got ya, Sucka!" He specified that he only killed it to protect his child and his dog and if you watched the entire video, he also said, "Sorry snake," and wasn't laughing when he said it. Is it so far fetched to even entertain the thought that this guy isn't a complete jerk and he just freaked in the moment? Is it completely impossible that he doesn't fancy himself a serpent slayer and wasn't super stoked that he got to cut a snake's head off, that's just what he felt he had to do at the time?

If we believe his commentary, that he killed the snake to protect his child, then he didn't do anything wrong in my opinion. I'd kill anything to protect my child and I wouldn't apologize for it. Let's not be so judgmental. Maybe the guy made a poor choice in posting the video, big deal. I've certainly said and done things that were in poor taste, that doesn't make me a giant piece of crap of a person.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Roaches and stuff are considered pests, not generally considered pets. Any person with common sense can relocate a hot, It's simple. A broom handle and a 5 gallon bucket with a top. The first snake I ever relocated was a cottonmouth and it was by that exact method. I was 10 years old and hadn't had a pet snake ever in my life. I can get the fact that people aren't taught the proper way to humanely kill a snake, but the laughter is what tickled a nerve for me. That and the idiotic commentary that was unnecessary and to add to the fact that he recorded this. That was inhumane in my book and if I was to see the guy I would honestly break his jaw. I would hit him with a "superman" punch :D and relocate his jaw. That's just because I don't like the way he was cruel to the snake, regardless of the species.

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I meant to address this too, but I forgot.

A) I'm sure there are kids who read this forum who are 10-13 years old. I don't think it's very responsible to advise them that it's perfectly ok for them to play with venomous snakes as long as they have a broom and a bucket.

B) Chicks don't really dig guys who run around threatening to break jaws. That's just an old movie theme they used to use to make it entertaining before they could swear and show boobs.

I love you, brandi lmfao

Its uncalled for

There is no reason to kill an animal
copperhead won't kill you and its not hard to make a phone call for its safe removal.
The ironic part is that some of the "snake people" on this forum have no problem with it.

I bet you dudes have had plenty to say to defend 'certain' snakes....oh but not them 'Other' snakes they be ver'y scury and mah lohdi mah little puppeh and chill'den be in sooo much dangah.

I teach my kids that unless its a mosquito or a fly....you dont kill it. There is no darn reason for it.

Lets not forget how hard it is to pick up a phone for a safe removal.

Who cares? As long its not an endangered species then i have no problem with it. It was on his property, its not like he went and looked for it somewhere. I kill squirrels, chipmunks, field mice, moles, voles, woodchucks and other critters that are a nuisance in my yard. Should i call animal control every time i want a squirrel removed from my yard? No, i just take care of it myself. I don't go around into my neighbors yards shooting their critters though.

Would i have been able to recognize the copperhead wasn't really a threat and relocated it safely? Sure thing. Would everybody be able to? No. Just because you're not afraid of something or were raised a certain way or have certain feelings doesn't mean everyone does.

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Its uncalled for

There is no reason to kill an animal
copperhead won't kill you and its not hard to make a phone call for its safe removal.
The ironic part is that some of the "snake people" on this forum have no problem with it.

I bet you dudes have had plenty to say to defend 'certain' snakes....oh but not them 'Other' snakes they be ver'y scury and mah lohdi mah little puppeh and chill'den be in sooo much dangah.

I teach my kids that unless its a mosquito or a fly....you dont kill it. There is no darn reason for it.

Lets not forget how hard it is to pick up a phone for a safe removal.

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I'm not a "snake person". I'm a person who has a snake. I also have a car, but don't consider myself a "car person". I have a cat and am not a "cat lad..." nevermind, I'm kind of a cat lady.

Anyway - I like snakes. That doesn't mean that I have to share every single opinion that every other person who likes snakes has. Whether we're talking about snakes, dogs, cats, or Ocelots named Baboo, I almost always view human safety as a priority over animals. It's just an opinion, there's nothing ironic about it.

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Originally Posted by Mr Oni

Its uncalled for

There is no reason to kill an animal
copperhead won't kill you and its not hard to make a phone call for its safe removal.
The ironic part is that some of the "snake people" on this forum have no problem with it.

I bet you dudes have had plenty to say to defend 'certain' snakes....oh but not them 'Other' snakes they be ver'y scury and mah lohdi mah little puppeh and chill'den be in sooo much dangah.

I teach my kids that unless its a mosquito or a fly....you dont kill it. There is no darn reason for it.

Lets not forget how hard it is to pick up a phone for a safe removal.

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I'm pretty sure you just made a general insult to anyone below the Mason Dixon line.

Anyway, your opinion is just that: yours. So, you live your life and everyone else will live theirs.

Though, you must be one of those people who are against spanking since all life is sacred right?

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Originally Posted by Mr Oni

Its uncalled for

There is no reason to kill an animal
copperhead won't kill you and its not hard to make a phone call for its safe removal.
The ironic part is that some of the "snake people" on this forum have no problem with it.

I bet you dudes have had plenty to say to defend 'certain' snakes....oh but not them 'Other' snakes they be ver'y scury and mah lohdi mah little puppeh and chill'den be in sooo much dangah.

I teach my kids that unless its a mosquito or a fly....you dont kill it. There is no darn reason for it.

Lets not forget how hard it is to pick up a phone for a safe removal.

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Just a thought here. Why is it ok to kill a mosquito or a fly and nothing else? They are living things too. Arn't they? Plus they won't kill you either.

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Originally Posted by Mr Oni

Its uncalled for

There is no reason to kill an animal
copperhead won't kill you and its not hard to make a phone call for its safe removal.
The ironic part is that some of the "snake people" on this forum have no problem with it.

I bet you dudes have had plenty to say to defend 'certain' snakes....oh but not them 'Other' snakes they be ver'y scury and mah lohdi mah little puppeh and chill'den be in sooo much dangah.

I teach my kids that unless its a mosquito or a fly....you dont kill it. There is no darn reason for it.

Lets not forget how hard it is to pick up a phone for a safe removal.

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I think you missed the part where I said animal removal people aren't available everywhere. So, yes, it is hard to just call for safe removal.

People also don't do these things for free. Billy the exterminator has a whole show about it.

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I wouldn't even know who to call for a snake lol. Animal control in my area probably only does dogs and cats haha.

Usually MOST pest control services are trained in it. Other than that, animal control would probably kill it too in most areas.

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A lot of people have no idea how to safely relocate a hot or any clue who to call to do so. The only more humane way to kill this snake would have been to destroy the brain tissue, *we* know this, most people don't. The dude was doing what he knew to protect his family.

I see nothing wrong with this video unless you're completely against the killing of all animals. If so you better be vegan, pretty sure meat animals get worse treatment.

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I can honestly understand killing a snake that poses a danger to yourself, and the people around you. I don't understand having the stomach to tape the aftermath. It bothers me to feed my snakes live prey, it still breaks my heart after 4 years of keeping BP's. I couldn't imagine enjoying seeing an animal suffer.

I get why he killed it. What ticks me off is that he didn't destroy the brain and that he got amusement and laughter from it's writhing body.

Okay, I apoligize if my hysterical southern bell had no charm. She faints at the slightest worry.
But really i am sorry.

If he cleaned his yard up nice no snake would live there.
Prevenative maintainence.

yes, mosquitos do kill people....actually way more people than any reptile because they kill over 1 million a year.
And the flies....they are flies.

Spanking? Not really, ever raise your hand quickly to do something with zero situational intent and see your child flinch?
Do as i say or i will physically hurt you?
Just because grandpappy used a stick and you (and me :-/) turned out fine doesnt make it a useful tool for success.
I used to always spank but after awhile it really has no effect.
Time, situation and place anymore for me.

No, not all life is sacred but i try, Combat MOS changed my view on the whole life thing.
I think everything deserves a chance since living day to day you either get eaten or some banana head tries to squish, run over, torch, shoot, blow up or cut you in half. :banana:

I forget that living in NY, i can get services if i was to need them.

Sorry if my words had any weight on those who may not be fortunate to have specialized animal removal and if you truley felt i was trying to hurt feelings.
just a way to make a point and it was a bad choice and i own to it....now lets hug

calling animal control for squirrel is silly.

Oh and i do have endangered guys in the area who also happen to be venomous.

How many people are on car forums, cat forums, bacon forums, 42" plasma tv forum and any object that i own forums?
Snake people

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I'm quite against wildlife pursecution, and watching an animal suffer or be killed is never pleasurable for me. That said, I'm not against hunting or killing humanely. In my book, pursecution should only be necessary should the animal have already injured or killed a human, be a herbivorous game animal, or be one largely invasive. (e.g. European sparrow and wild hogs)
Animals, more often than not, are not as threatening as people make them to be. (Even the dogs that kill ~15 people a year) Once you've spotted a venomous snake, and you aren't playing jackass with it, you're relatively safe. The people who get bitten are the ones who either step on them unknowingly or they're the ones who decide they need to kill or tamper with them. However, as with any snake (as we would know) doing something to irritate it would lead up to a bite.
So when you spot a venomous snake, alert those around you, and either leave it alone, or, if it is in a location that could lead to conflict, such as an urban setting, call a wildlife remover or animal control and have them relocate it.
Killing an animal because you think it's dangerous isn't right, nor is killing it out of hatred and possibly using the above appropriate situations as excuses. (e.g. people killed Burmese pythons because they're snakes; not because they're invasive. People typically don't give a dam about invasive animals, or else boars and dogs would be gone a long time ago.) The last thing we need is for snakes, or any other inherently "dangerous" animal, to go down the same road Tasmanian devils did.
Final points: Wildlife should be observed, hunted responsibly, occasionally collected, and ultimately respected, but not abused or murdered for no good reason. Whatever you do with an animal, or even a person, be respectful in your decisions, in your word, and in your action. Help make this planet a less crappy place.

I can't believe I got a stupid warning over a stupid false comment, that I even said sorry for. Thanks guys..... Maybe earmuffs next time?

Calm down, it's a warning.

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Combat arms MOS and seeing the enemy in death also changed my view on life, Mr. Oni. I kill numerous flies on a regular basis thanks to my chickens. I have a trap outside that gets over 500 every couple of weeks during the summer. They spread disease and killing them truly is protecting my family (not to mention how darn annoying they are). Do I smack mosquitos? Yup. Do I kill ticks that I find on myself? You betcha! Even if I'm still outside I will kill them so that there is one less possible lyme disease carrier out there. I definitely do not value all life, not even all human life after what I've seen what other human beings are capable of. I actually made someone incredibly upset with me when I compared the value of some humans' lives to that of an endangered species of trout...

Back to the topic at hand - I can accept that most people fully believe that the only good snake is a dead snake, but I also believe that if we start educating at a young age that we can change that mentality. General lack of education on the topic is evidenced by the fact that not one person in the comments stated that a snake was venomous but instead referred to poisonous and non-poisonous snakes. What bothers me about the video isn't that he killed the snake, it is that he felt the need to. That aside, his reaction bothered me. This is only due to the fact that I like snakes. There are likely many people that would be abhorred by the feelings, or lack thereof, that I have felt while standing over dead human beings. It is what it is, but again, we can change peoples' minds about what is actually dangerous with a little bit of education.

Do you truly want to alienate this community? Continue to make threats of violence because people don't see things through your eyes. All that you will do is to reinforce their already strong convictions about snakes and people who keep them as pets. Here's an example - cats are a horribly invasive species but there are certain people that get retarded about cats. I've seen advocates of trapping and HUMANELY euthanizing feral cats have their lives threatened by cat people. Does this help their case? Not a chance and for me it only fuels my anti-cat sentiment. I DO NOT have a problem with pet cats that are properly housed INDOORS at all times and pose no danger to local ecosystems but I am completely for the humane killing of "outdoor" cats and feral cats. Some people will argue that they have to let their cat out for one reason or another. TOO BAD! Many people here have had "problem snakes" but we still work with them and keep them responsibly! Way off topic again but there it is, my $0.02.

Summed all up by 3 things


1) live and let live when it comes to wild animals
2) if you must interfere, do it humanely and for your safety/security
3) don't laugh at animal suffering

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In my book, pursecution should only be necessary should the animal have already injured or killed a human, be a herbivorous game animal, or be one largely invasive. (e.g. European sparrow and wild hogs)

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After about a week, I realized I forgot to put parasites and vermin on this list. Animals that are parasitic to, or cause disease in human society (or the body) are to be executed as well, as that can be described as causing harm to man. That includes animals such as rats, mosqitoes, and tapeworms among others.
Just add that to my previous message.

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Originally Posted by decensored

I can honestly understand killing a snake that poses a danger to yourself, and the people around you. I don't understand having the stomach to tape the aftermath. It bothers me to feed my snakes live prey, it still breaks my heart after 4 years of keeping BP's. I couldn't imagine enjoying seeing an animal suffer.

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I think it's entirely possible that the guy in the video might have taped it because the snake was doing something "weird." Cutting the head off and seeing a snake still moving although it may be known to us that they do this, he may have saw that and grabbed the camera...

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

I get why he killed it. What ticks me off is that he didn't destroy the brain and that he got amusement and laughter from it's writhing body.

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Again, not everyone knows the "proper" way to kill an animal. I would bet if you walked down the street and asked people what they think the most humane way would be to kill an animal (other than euthanasia) they would say to cut off the head.

The video is quite sad and it's very uncool to laugh about an animals suffering but I know that when I was a kid growing up on a farm, my brothers would kill poisonous snakes and other wild animals too (if they posed a threat) just to keep us kids safe. Out there, it was just a part of life and nobody was ever called in to deal with an animal. It was never an easy or fun event and we were taught that taking a life should never be fun, be quick and as painless as possible and always have a reason. Respect the animals and if you can, just avoid them but not everyone is brought up that way. "Snakes are scary" although we may not see it that way, is often the norm. In this case, one of my brothers probably would have killed that snake too as it was in a wood pile and we had a lot of bonfires where people would have come into contact with that woodpile quite often.

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I'm quite against wildlife pursecution...

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You keep using that word. I don't think that word is spelled how you think it is spelled.

Also...

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Again, not everyone knows the "proper" way to kill an animal. I would bet if you walked down the street and asked people what they think the most humane way would be to kill an animal (other than euthanasia) they would say to cut off the head.

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I should actually do this and I'll let you know the results when they come in?

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

You keep using that word. I don't think that word is spelled how you think it is spelled.

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Well, when you're wrong you're wrong. Nice try at a deflect there.

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Well, when you're wrong you're wrong. Nice try at a deflect there.

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Yeah, what am I supposed to do about a few silly misplaced words? I can't go back in time and edit them in the 10 minute range, and my general point still stands so I don't see the big deal.

You also must not know what "wrong" defines as.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

You also must not know what "wrong" defines as.

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Or maybe you should clarify.

I'll approach this from a different angle to clarify, since somebody, for whatever reason, will the feel the need to provoke a flame war over this at some point.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

You keep using that word. I don't think that word is spelled how you think it is spelled.

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per·se·cu·tion /ˌpərsəˈkyooSHən/

noun: persecution; plural noun: persecutions

hostility and ill-treatment, esp. because of race or political or religious beliefs. "her family fled religious persecution" synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More persistent annoyance or harassment. "his persecution at the hands of other students"

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Keeping that in mind, I simply misplaced a letter since spell-check was not available at the time, plus add that to the fact I don't read a dictionary every day, nor do I intend to. Minor mistakes happen and it's only human.

And if by using a word often, you mean twice, fine, and the first time was intentional. In this sense, they are being treated with hostility because they are wild animals; specifically snakes in the situation this thread was originally posted about. The second time, the word in its place should be replaced with 'executed' or any other synonyms for 'killed,' should you not find the word 'executed' fitting for whatever reason. If you find that you have any other problem with the choice of words, take it elsewhere or correct me in private. I cannot change the post due to the programming behind these forums; only a mod can. If you want to ask me about my belief, opinion, or main point, feel free to do so, but if any of you feel the need to infer that I am unintelligent, I request that be done out of the public.

*accidental double post*